Tuesday, December 21. 2010The impact of the Webb decision
(Following is the transcript of the segment "Analysis by Winnie Monsod" which aired on News on Q on December 17, 2010. Prof. Winnie Monsod is the resident analyst of News on Q which airs weeknights at 9:30 p.m. on Q Channel 11.)
Last week, we looked at some of the arguments for and against the acquittal of Hubert Webb and others of the “Vizconde Massacre” and said that it boiled down to whether we believed the testimonial evidence of the prosecution witnesses headed by Jessica Alfaro, or the testimonial and documentary evidence of the defense witnesses presented by Webb et al. including official documents from the Philippine and United States governments. Three days ago, the decision of the Supreme Court (SC) – by a vote of seven to four, with four justices inhibiting themselves – was to acquit Webb and his co-accused, who are now all free. The decision has raised even more questions, which we will now try to analyze and answer. Q1. Does the decision mean that justice is only for the rich? This is the accusation of Lauro Vizconde, widower and surviving father of the victims. Apparently, the basis of his accusation is that the accused (the convicts later acquitted) are, for the most part, wealthy – except for Gerardo Biong, who was a policeman – or at least definitely not poor, and that there was "bayaran" in the case, in other words, they bought the favorable decision (of acquittal). A1. I cannot speak for all the SC justices who were part of either the voting majority or the minority. But there are two justices whose integrity I can vouch for: Justice Conchita Carpio Morales and Justice Ma. Lourdes Sereno, who both not only voted for acquittal, but also wrote a concurring opinion and a separate concurring opinion, respectively. But other than that, Vizconde's charge does not seem to be supported by the history of the case, because if money could really buy the decision in this case, why were these wealthy people in jail for 15 years? By the way, all over the world, the contention that “justice is only for the rich” is accepted almost all over the world in another sense than that which Vizconde uses it: the sense that except for “pro bono” cases where legal services are done for free, only the rich can afford the best lawyers. In that sense, one can say that had Webb not gotten the best lawyers, he and his co-accused (fellow convicts in the Vizconde case) would still be rotting in jail. Q2. Does the decision of the Supreme Court, as headlined in the media, imply that Webb and his co-accused may not be innocent? A2. Unang-una, kailangan natin maintindihan na dalawa lang ang (First of all, we should understand that there are only two possible) verdicts that can be pronounced by any court of law, whether in the Philippines or abroad: either Guilty or Not Guilty. No court in the world will rule or pronounce a person innocent. At totoo din na pwede na (Keep in mind that) a court may pronounce a defendant “not guilty” even if the defendant actually committed a crime. For example, nag-confess na ang akusado, pero hindi inadmit ng korte, for some reason or another, ang confession na iyan. Pero dito sa kaso na ito, kung basahin lamang ang decision ng Korte, halatang-halata kung ano ang iniisip nila. Tungkol sa kung kapani-paniwala ang testimony ni Jessica Alfaro, inexplain ni J. Roberto Abad, ponente ng decision, na para maging kapani-paniwala ang testimony ng isang witness, kailangan dalawang criteria must be met: isa ay na ang witness ay credible, meaning to say na basehan sa experience sa kanya, she can be trusted to tell the truth. At ikalawa, kailang ang istorya niya ay also kapani-paniwala, hindi pwersado, at walang mga inconsistencies. Diniscuss ito ni Abad sa kanyang ponensiya, at sabi niya: (For example, the accused makes a confession but this was not admitted into evidence by the court for some reason or another. But if you read the SC decision in the Vizconde case, it is quite clear how the justices appreciated the facts. As regards the credibility of the testimony of Jessica Alfaro, the ponente of the decision, Justice Roberto Abad, explained that for witness testimony to be believable it must meet two criteria – first, that the witness herself should credible, meaning to say based on previous experience with her, she can be trusted to tell the truth; secondly, her narration of the events must also be believable, not under duress, and free from inconsistencies. Abad discussed this in his ponencia, where he said:) “Ultimately, Alfaro’s quality as a witness and her inconsistent, if not inherently unbelievable, testimony cannot be the positive identification that jurisprudence acknowledges as sufficient to jettison a denial and an alibi.” Ang tanong pa ni Abad (He also asked): “Will the Court send the accused to spend the rest of their lives in prison on the testimony of an NBI asset who proposed to her handlers that she take the role of the witness to the Vizconde massacre that she could not produce?” Si Justice Conchita Carpio Morales naman, ang sabi ay hindi niya maintindihan kung bakit tinanggap at hindi pinagsuspetsahan ng lower courts yung testimony ni Alfaro. Tungkol naman kay Webb, ito ang sabi niya (For her part, Justice Carpio Morales said she could not understand how the lower courts could accept without suspicion Alfaro’s testimony. As for Webb, she had this to say): “His travel and immigration documents showing his departure from the Philippines and arrival in the U.S.A., not to mention the testimonial and documentary evidence on his activities while in the U.S.A. between March 9, 1991 and October 26, 1992, deserve full credit. If half the world away could not even be considered to be ‘so far removed from the crime scene’ as to evince the physical impossibility of actual presence, then the defense of alibi can only be appreciated when an accused lands in a different planet." O ano, mga kapuso, sa palagay niyo ba, basehan sa sinabi ng Korte Suprema, na pwedeng guilty sina Webb? (Do you think – based on what the Supreme Court had said – Webb et al. are guilty?) Q3. May impact ba ang Webb decision sa justice system natin? (Does the Webb decision have an impact on the Philippine justice system?) A3. Doon sa separate concurring opinion ni Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno, nilista niya ang maraming examples of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct doon sa kaso ni Webb, that according to her, violated the rights of the accused – suppressing evidence, mishandling evidence, not preserving evidence. Sa palagay ko, hindi lang yan problema sa kaso ni Webb, kundi sakit yan talaga ng ating judicial system na dapat magamot na – lalo na itong practice na paggamit ng mga police o NBI assets na maging testigo. Sana mapakinggan natin ang sinabi ni Justice Sereno – kasi habang hindi natin maggamot ag mga practices na ito, the miscarriage of justice will continue to be the rule rather than the exception. (In her separate concurring opinion, Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno listed down numerous examples of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct committed in Webb’s criminal case, that according to her, violated the rights of the accused – suppressing evidence, mishandling evidence, and not preserving evidence. In my view, these problems do not only plague the case of Webb, but rather these are endemic in our judicial system and must be purged – particularly this practice of using police or NBI assets as witnesses. Let the advice of Justice Sereno be heard – because as long as we do not do away with these bad practices, the miscarriage of justice will continue to be the rule rather than the exception.) For the latest Philippine news stories and videos, visit GMANews.TV Trackbacks
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Much as I wish that justice be served to the poor victims, but at the start I doubted already the testimonies given by Jessica Alfaro. Given the inconsistencies and her background as drug dependent, can we expect that what she was saying during the trials were all true? I don't think so. Given the fact that she admitted to have been a drug dependent, blurs her credibility as believable witness. Lahat na taong involved sa illegal drugs ay patapon ang buhay ng mga yan, tapos gagawin pa nating star witness?
Also all her testimonies as are second hand information not her personal knowledge. Remember the case of Miguel Rodriguez , sinampal ni Jessica at sinabihang “hindi kita makakalimutan kasi nagkaita pa lang tayo one month ago….in the end it turned out that it was not the Miguel Rodriguez Jessica is referring to. Tandaan natin na sinabi niya noon na may nagsabi sa kanya na isang tao na may direktang alam sa kaso. So madaling sabi, kwento lang ng iba ang kanyang testimonya. Ewan ko naman kasi sa NBi bakit kinagat nila ang ganitong sitwasyon nag awing star witness ang nakarinig lang ng kwento. Also we should not forget the first batch of suspects, they were severely tortured for them to admit the crime they never committed, pinakain pa sila ang dumi ng pusa, tapos di naman talaga ang mga may kasalanan. Hanggat ganito ang sestima at gawain ng mga authorities na kung sinong makursunadahang gawing suspect ay ididiin na sa kaso at gagawan ng mga fabricated scenarios and evidences, walang hustisyang maibibigay sa mag biktima. Anyway, I like the analysis of Prof. Monsod and still wishing that justice be served to the victims. bobo,
please read the entire sc decision to really appreciate and for sure, you will rewrote your comment http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/2010/december2010/176389.htm ... hindi ako naconvince ni mareng winnie sa kanyang articulong ito, kc my perceptions still remains intact na the webbs et al are the guilty parties from this karumaldumal na trahedyang sinapit ng viscondes ...
... and i would assume na majority ng pinoys diyan sa pinas ay dismayado sa 7 sc magistrates acquitting webb et al ... dito nga lang sa saudi - hindi mo masisikmura ang mga curses towards the webbs et al and 7 sc magistrates ... at pagkagalit sa justice system diyan sa pinas!!! ... in the end, kahit laya na sina webb et al - sa mata ng mga tao sila pa rin ang mga kriminal at salarin - and their conscience will hunt them forever!!! ... and for the viscondes, you have our prayers Tama ka dyan!
Kahit malaya na sila, kailan man hindi sila magiging malaya sa mata ng mga tao, lalo na't karamihan ay naniniwala sa sila ay guilty. Ang nangyari.....sila ang totoong kriminal, subalit walang eye-witness. Ginamit ng NBI si Jessica Alfaro para gawing star wintness para maparusahan ang mga kriminal. Maganda talaga mag analisa si Mareng Wennie, but like Jessica at Gloria may credibility problem din sya. Ilang beses ba na sa column nya na sinabi nyang inosente si Hubert? Yan ang problema sa mga pinoy: credibility. Mula sa leadership ng bansa hanggang sa media ang problema ng kredibilidad, kaya hindi tayo nagtitiwala sa isa't isa at kailanman hindi nagkakaisa. Tingnan nyo sa mga comments sa Youtube, at kahit saang mga forum tulad dito, nag aaway away tayo, mula sa pananaw sa showbiz, bisnis at pulitika. Puro satsat, kaya hanggang ngayon ang Pilipinas still being considered as the "sickman of asia". Nakakahiya na!!
"pinabayaan ni webb n makulong yun anak nya for 15 years bakit? answers is no hindi nya pinabayaan its only take 15 years bago nya nagapang yun kaso.. bago nya nasira yun mga evidensya at bago naupo yun mga kakilala nyang mga sc judges ... simple lang db?"
agree po ako sa disisyon ng supreme court, may nasilip po sila na mahalaga at iyan po iyong tinatawag nila na reasonable doubt. i will agree din sa mga taga supreme court na ang acquital kina Hubert does not declare them innocent (they can not prove it on what they have), actually they are more guilty now, at kahit kailan hindi sila magiging inosente sapagkat they also have not proven that they were not the killers beyond reasonable doubt. Alibi is the weakest form of defense and can never holds water. hindi po iyan matibay and always argumentative kaya kahit na anong imbestiga ang gawin ngayon isa lang ang magiging direction, balik ulit sa kanila dahil all of them only have an alibi.
dalawang uri ng pinoy ang lumilitaw sa kasong ito. yung mga bobo na walang utak at mga meron utak. sa mga interview sa tv makikita mong mga nagkokomento ng marahas eh ang mga mahihirap kamukha ng mga trike drivers at mga sanggano na wala naman alam sa batas at gusto lang eh dugo ng isang mas nakaka angat sa kanila. okaya naman eh yung mga so called skilled workers kagaya ng mga nasa saudi.
yung mga matatalinong pinoy ang mas nakakaunawa sa lohika ng kaso. ang pinaka mensahe dito mga pre eh ganito. kahit na sabihin pa naten na sila nga eh may kasalanan eh dapat mapatunayan ito ng walang bahid ng duda. karapatan ito ng lahat ng tao. ngayon, na acquit sila dahil sa kakulangan ng ebidensya. hirap naman ata na makulong ang isang tao dahil lamang sa may nagturo sa kanya. wala man lang mas matibay na ebidensya. aba eh kung ganon eh pede pala kahit ikaw eh ituro ko nalang basta basta ano. ang dapat sisihin dito ay hinde ang mga korte kundi mga pulis at nbi. kulang na kulang sila sa kaalaman para maghanap ng ebidensya. puro nalang witness. nako panahon pa ata pontio pilato ang ganito na witness lang ang basehan ng isang kaso. "kahit na sabihin pa naten na sila nga eh may kasalanan eh dapat mapatunayan ito ng walang bahid ng duda. karapatan ito ng lahat ng tao. ngayon, na acquit sila dahil sa kakulangan ng ebidensya. hirap naman ata na makulong ang isang tao dahil lamang sa may nagturo sa kanya. wala man lang mas matibay na ebidensya. aba eh kung ganon eh pede pala kahit ikaw eh ituro ko nalang basta basta ano."
-thank you pedro. finally, a smart remark from a person with a brain. ...bata pa po ako pero the way you are writing your statements na fi-feel kung mas bata ka pa sa akin..i think youd better sit down right there where you are now and ask your mom for a tutorial... all subjects required and please learn your A,B,C's again..you are missing some parts of your good memory..it might help you revitalize
We have to remember that most of the pinoys in Saudi are the illiterate kinds in our society. Obviously the way you have stated your comments here, it only proves that you are not only a close minded idiot, ignoramos pa. Smart people thinks the webb's groups are innocents. And people like you who are narrow minded at mahilig sa tsismis ay di dapat pag aksayahan ng pansin. Mabuhay ang mga Webb!!!
Sana kung nakikinig ang taas - pray kolang na marape at patayin din ang lahat ng pamilya mo at ikaw lang ang itira para MAINTINDIHAN MO KUNG GAANO KASAKIT ANG MANG YARI KATOLAD KAY LAURO VISCONDE.
TANONG KORIN- SAAN NA YUNG MAID NG MGA WEBB NA KASAM SA NAG AKUSA? AT BAKIT SI ALFARO LANG ANG BINABALITA. wish ko lang mangyari sa iyo o sa inyo ang nangyari kay hubert webb at mga kasama nito para maramdamann mo at malaman mo kung ano ang sinasabi mo.OK!
Kung may totoong talo dito (maliban kay Mang Lauro), siguro tayong lahat. Dapat hindi natin inuna yung damdamin natin para maimpluwensiyahan yung hatol. ANG DAMING BUTAS NG KASO. Pakiramdam ko hindi binusisi ng prosecution ng todo yung kaso. Basag kasi yung depensa (pati rin star witness) at sana tinibayan pa nila. Biruin nyo apela na to. All prior remedies have been exhausted, ito na yung huling hirit.
Sa basketbol mahina tayo sa depensa Sa futbol mahina din tayo sa depensa Sa hustisya pa ba naman mahina rin tayo sa depensa? Ito ang mga bagay that makes Hubert Webb and his barkada na suspicious.
1. Why did 2 of his accused friends are still at large until now? Why did they skip trial and risk receiving a stiffer penalty for being a fugitive? May tinatago ba sila? 2. Why did police officer Biong burned all the evidence of the crime scene? Does he burn every evidence of every crime scene he investigates? Or is this Vizconde massacre particularly interesting to him? 3. How come the Webb's family house maids and security guards testified that Hubert was in their residence at the time of the massacre? 4. If assuming Hubert did indeed travel to the US on March 9, 1991 and allegedly came back to the phils on October 1992, so isnt it strange or kataka-taka na isang anak ng prominenteng tao ay nag overstay sa US ng mahigit isang taon?! Hindi ba siya nag-aaral sa panahong iyon?! Or biglang humintong mag-aral? Ibig sabihin, maaring umuwi si Hubert sa buwan ng Hunyo at bumalik sa amerika agad after the massacre. 5. Yung california license card ni Hubert was issued on June 14, 1991. Ibig sabihin pwede pa rin siyang umuwi patungong pilipinas matapos makuha ang driver's license nya. 6. Yung resibo ng bike na binili sa amerika ay hindi naman naka petsa ng JUne 29-31, 1991. Mga araw ng masaker yun. 7. Bago pa man nag testify si Jessica sa 1995, ay may nakakita na kay Hubert at sa mga kaibigan nya the night ng masaker sa vicinity ng bahay ng mga Vizconde sa taong 1991. In fact, inibetahan pa nga ang grupo ni Hubert ng Pulis para mag clarify. 8. Yung DNA testing sa semen na nakuha sa kay Carmila ay hindi naman pwedeng makapagsabing hindi ginahasa ni Hubert yung babae. Pwede namang nag gamit ng condom si Hubert, o di kayay hindi sya talaga nag ejaculate kasi HIGH sila sa Shabu that time at ayun sa Science ay mahirap makapag ejaculate ang isang tao HIGH sa SHABU. 8. Hindi porket ang isang tao ay asset ng NBI o pulis ay hindi na cya pu-pwedeng magtestigo sa korte kung talaga namang siya ay nakakita sa krimen. Kaya nga sa AMERICA may mga Deep Penetration AGents o informers laban sa mga MAFIA, GANGS, at sindikato para mag testify sa korte laban sa mga kriminal. BOBO,
Hubert went back here to attended school? Ibig mo bang sabihin lahat ng taga La Salle na ka-eskwela niya walang yagbols na tumistigo na nakita nila si Hubert nung mga araw na sinasabi niya na nasa U.S. siya? Nasaan lahat ng mga kapit-bahay, kaibigan, kakilala, kaklase, kabarkada, kapuso, kapamilya at kaaway niya na nakakita sa kanya maliban kay Jessica ang nagsabi na nakita niya si Hubert? I am not a prominent person. But if I were to deny my presence here in the Philippines in a span of a week, there would probably be more than a hundred witnesses to refute my claim. My username is really who I am. Hindi ata ako nagiisa. hindi lahat ng nakakita ay may lakas ng loob magwitness,yung iba nananahimik na lang dahil sa takot na balikan sila ng ituturo nila.
yup,definetly i would agree..imposible namang wlang nakakaalam sa nagyayari sa kanya...kaya lang takot tumistigo.... usigin sana kayo ng kunsensya nyo....
cguro naman merong records yung mga school nho.... our justice here needs to move...1mb lang cguro ang justice dito satin... Mr. Fred Valdez,
Hindi mo ba nabasa ang mga bagong balita? May mga bagong testigo at credible na tao ang lumantad at gustong mag testigo na nandito si Hubert sa panahon ng masaker sa Pilipinas. In fact, bago pa man nag press release ang kampo ni Lauro Vizconde na mayroon silang mga bagong very credible witnesses ay agad inunahan ng mga lawyers ni HUbert na may mga pekeng witness na lalantad. hmmmm.... pre-emptive strike kumbaga to minimize the impact of a NEW CREDIBLE WITNESS coming out. Kung nabasa mo man lang ang court proceedings at mga witnesses' affidavits ay makikita mo na itinago nila agad si Hubert matapos ang krimen. Tingnan mo ang timeline of events: June 14, 1991 Hubert was issued a California driver's license card. Of course, this is true and authentic at nagpapatunay na sa araw na ito ay nasa US pa si Hubert Webb. June 29-30 1991 ang panahon naganap ang karumal-dumal na krimen sa mga Vizconde. June 31, 1991 nag testify ang dalawang katulong ng mga Webb na nakita pa nila si Hubert sa araw na ito. Ngunit kinabukasan ay sinabi daw ni then Cong. Webb na nasa amerika na si Hubert. Was Cong Webb pre-conditioning na minds of their helpers na NASA Amerika si Hubert na? Ang tanong: Alam ba ni COng. Webb ang nangyari? Nagkumpisal ba si Hubert sa kanila at agad nilang pinapunta sa Amerika si Hubert? Bakit pagkatapos ng hatol ay hindi man lang araw-araw nag protesta si Cong Webb sa pagkabilanggo ng isang inosenteng anak? Siguro ay pinatawad na nila si Hubert sa nangyari kaya tuloy they try to set him free. Kahit naman sinong magulang ay gustong mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan ang isang anak na nawalay sa landas. Bobo mo naman pare...
Ito ang mga bagay that makes Hubert Webb and his barkada na suspicious. 1. Why did 2 of his accused friends are still at large until now? Why did they skip trial and risk receiving a stiffer penalty for being a fugitive? May tinatago ba sila? A: you cannot assume they are all friends. where is the evidence that they are? 2. Why did police officer Biong burned all the evidence of the crime scene? Does he burn every evidence of every crime scene he investigates? Or is this Vizconde massacre particularly interesting to him? where is the evidence that he actually did? does this mean anybody can just accuse anyone of doing something without hard evidence? according to other witnesses as well, family members of the vizcondes are the one who asked for the crime scene to be cleaned. why arent the vicondes refuting this? 3. How come the Webb's family house maids and security guards testified that Hubert was in their residence at the time of the massacre? is it not possible for them to lie about this? they can well have been paid for it as well. again, all testimonial, no hard evidence. also, these maids probably have last names such as einsteins. wow, they can remember what they have washed 4 years ago at a particular date and time. i cant even rememer what i wore last week. 4. If assuming Hubert did indeed travel to the US on March 9, 1991 and allegedly came back to the phils on October 1992, so isnt it strange or kataka-taka na isang anak ng prominenteng tao ay nag overstay sa US ng mahigit isang taon?! Hindi ba siya nag-aaral sa panahong iyon?! Or biglang humintong mag-aral? again, you are making assumptions. innocent until proven guilty and the proof of guilt must be provided by the prosecution. the accused must not be the one defending their innocence. why cant the prosecutors disprove even a single piece of evidence to be false and fabricated. gosh, 400 pieces of evidence and not even one can be proven to be fake? 5. Yung california license card ni Hubert was issued on June 14, 1991. Ibig sabihin pwede pa rin siyang umuwi patungong pilipinas matapos makuha ang driver's license nya. assumptions again. sure he can but where was the proof that he did. why arent any hard evidence like travel documents provided? sure webb was a congressman but really? how powerful do we really think the webbs are? if their last name was marcos or cohuangco or singson or ampatuan, maybe it will be more be more believable 6. Yung resibo ng bike na binili sa amerika ay hindi naman naka petsa ng JUne 29-31, 1991. Mga araw ng masaker yun. bobo mo talaga 7. Bago pa man nag testify si Jessica sa 1995, ay may nakakita na kay Hubert at sa mga kaibigan nya the night ng masaker sa vicinity ng bahay ng mga Vizconde sa taong 1991. In fact, inibetahan pa nga ang grupo ni Hubert ng Pulis para mag clarify. ano to tsismis na naman 8. Yung DNA testing sa semen na nakuha sa kay Carmila ay hindi naman pwedeng makapagsabing hindi ginahasa ni Hubert yung babae. Pwede namang nag gamit ng condom si Hubert, o di kayay hindi sya talaga nag ejaculate kasi HIGH sila sa Shabu that time at ayun sa Science ay mahirap makapag ejaculate ang isang tao HIGH sa SHABU. possible but not probable. fact is, the prosecution was allowed by the lower court not to admit dna as evidence 8. Hindi porket ang isang tao ay asset ng NBI o pulis ay hindi na cya pu-pwedeng magtestigo sa korte kung talaga namang siya ay nakakita sa krimen. Kaya nga sa AMERICA may mga Deep Penetration AGents o informers laban sa mga MAFIA, GANGS, at sindikato para mag testify sa korte laban sa mga kriminal. hay nako... do you know the word conflict of interest? 1. Why did 2 of his accused friends are still at large until now? Why did they skip trial and risk receiving a stiffer penalty for being a fugitive? May tinatago ba sila?
A: you cannot assume they are all friends. where is the evidence that they are? --> thank you. actually, hubert was only friends with 2 of his co-accused. the rest he just met during arraignment. 4. why cant the prosecutors disprove even a single piece of evidence to be false and fabricated. gosh, 400 pieces of evidence and not even one can be proven to be fake?
--> out of the 142 pieces of evidence presented, only 10 were admitted; the rest rejected, including documents from the FBI, US Bureau of Immigration, Office of US Sec of State Madeleine Albright, passenger manifesto of United Airlines etc etc. Why were these rejected outright, when they could've checked for the veracity of these documents? They didn't, simply because they couldn't prove they were false. BOBO, paki-read yung transcript ng Supreme court's decision sa acquital ni Hubert Webb bago ka maglitanya dito para may clear idea ka sa sinasabi mo. Medyo mahaba lang pero pag pinagtiyagaan mo, hindi ka lalabas na BOBO.
ano ba tlaga ang mas matimbang sa hustisya? ang testimonial evidence or documentary evidence? halimbawa may isang tao na gumawa ng krimen at may nakakita ilang tao nakakakita sa kanya na sya tlaga ng gumawa ng krimen. halimbawa ang nakakita ay isang drug addict o di kaya isang kapwa magnanakaw din at totoong nakita nya ang kung sino ang salarin...testimonial evidence ito diba? pero sasabihin ng korte di sya credible na witness kasi drug addict sya o isang magnanakaw din. samantalang ang akusado ay maraming maipapatunay sa korte dokumento na wala sya dun sa pinagyarihan ng krimen..so ang kakatigan ng korte e yung documented evidence o may pag aalinlangan sa testimonial evidence kaya na abswelto sa krimen. beyond reasonable doubt?...pano ba yun sa ganitong sitwasyon?...
Answers to your questions point by point:
1. Why did 2 of his accused friends are still at large until now? Why did they skip trial and risk receiving a stiffer penalty for being a fugitive? May tinatago ba sila? SPECULATION not admissible 2. Why did police officer Biong burned all the evidence of the crime scene? Does he burn every evidence of every crime scene he investigates? Or is this Vizconde massacre particularly interesting to him? Rules of grammar - did = burn (hindi burned) Clothes were burned by Lauro's relatives 3. How come the Webb's family house maids and security guards testified that Hubert was in their residence at the time of the massacre? A witness with no physical evidence - unreliable witness - not admissible 4. If assuming Hubert did indeed travel to the US on March 9, 1991 and allegedly came back to the phils on October 1992, so isnt it strange or kataka-taka na isang anak ng prominenteng tao ay nag overstay sa US ng mahigit isang taon?! Hindi ba siya nag-aaral sa panahong iyon?! Or biglang humintong mag-aral? Ibig sabihin, maaring umuwi si Hubert sa buwan ng Hunyo at bumalik sa amerika agad after the massacre. Speculation - you have to prove this first before using it as basis for a conviction. Everybody overstays in the States and this is not a big deal. How can a person or group of persons exit the US w/o being caught by the US immgiration. Do they have a private jet? If so why were they allowed in the US airspace w/o clearance? Highly improbable. Again Speculation -not admissible 5. Yung california license card ni Hubert was issued on June 14, 1991. Ibig sabihin pwede pa rin siyang umuwi patungong pilipinas matapos makuha ang driver's license nya. Speculation - inadmissible. Prove it first. 6. Yung resibo ng bike na binili sa amerika ay hindi naman naka petsa ng JUne 29-31, 1991. Mga araw ng masaker yun. ditto 7. Bago pa man nag testify si Jessica sa 1995, ay may nakakita na kay Hubert at sa mga kaibigan nya the night ng masaker sa vicinity ng bahay ng mga Vizconde sa taong 1991. In fact, inibetahan pa nga ang grupo ni Hubert ng Pulis para mag clarify. Hearsay - inadmissible 8. Yung DNA testing sa semen na nakuha sa kay Carmila ay hindi naman pwedeng makapagsabing hindi ginahasa ni Hubert yung babae. Pwede namang nag gamit ng condom si Hubert, o di kayay hindi sya talaga nag ejaculate kasi HIGH sila sa Shabu that time at ayun sa Science ay mahirap makapag ejaculate ang isang tao HIGH sa SHABU. speculation - inadmissible Maybe you're just too dumb to think this. 8. Hindi porket ang isang tao ay asset ng NBI o pulis ay hindi na cya pu-pwedeng magtestigo sa korte kung talaga namang siya ay nakakita sa krimen. Kaya nga sa AMERICA may mga Deep Penetration AGents o informers laban sa mga MAFIA, GANGS, at sindikato para mag testify sa korte laban sa mga kriminal. Oh my God - DPAs are different from assets. Assets have conlflicts of interests. Mr. BOBO - you sound true to your name. Mag-aral ka muna. please Exhume Vizconde for forensic DNA. Verify authenticity of U.S. Dept of State documents surrounding Webb's alibi, find Filart. Terminate custodian of evidence at NBI or Paranaque Police.
Yung mga US travel documents of hubert webb's arrival stamped March 1991 sa Amerika at yung Arrival nya sa Pilipinas noong October 1992 ay mukha namang true and authentic... BUT...
BUT... the US can not testify nor verify that Hubert did not leave america between the dates march 1991 up to october 1992. Kasi bago ang terrorist attacks sa 9/11, 2001 ay hindi pa masyadong strikto at hindi din well-documented ang entry at exit ng mga dayuhan sa amerika. Plus medyo low-tech pa ang mga security systems in place that time. They have to find Filart and the other missing guy. Or investigate Mr. BIONG if he received any money from the WEBBS after his release. Hi BOBO,
Just wanted to make some clarifications. The Vizconde camp could not produce the five witnesses they said they were going to use. Instead, they said that they will rely on Jessica Alfaro's accounts because that is enough. As far as the two men at large, actually may prinesent na pero sabi ni Jessica hindi daw iyon. They're supposedly from prominent families but there are no birth records or anything proving their existence. If they are indeed real, sobrangang galing naman nila sobra to cover up their tracks. It's as if they never lived a life. The receipt of Hubert's bike was dated June 30. It was verified by the FBI. Just to get the facts straight, only one maid testified and the employment agency testified na that maid was not working at that time. She was gone for a good six months but actually came back after the crime. So ang daming nagsasabi bakit bumalik pa siya? As for Jessica being a witness, actually may nagtestify na ang sabi niya talaga, kilala niya ung witness but once she could not present the witness, sabi nalang niya "papapelan ko nalang yan" (read the SC document). Interestingly enough, the prosecution did not refute the statement. So pwede ngang maging witness.... kung ikaw talaga ang nakawitness. Also, many are asking about what she would benefit from being a witness. She was receiving allowance for being under the witness protection program, her drug records I believe were cleared, and she now lives abroad. I want to ask kung sino yung mga nagsabing nakakita kay Hubert at that time? Actually, they're the third batch of suspects na nung nahuli. BTW hindi daw sila magkakabarkada. Not all of them know each other. And for DNA, may nakuha nga silang semen for DNA so that can be tested. Any person could have bought that bike and ask the store to make a receipt under the name of Hubert Webb. Also, during those times, there is no exit stamp when you leave the USA. I have a friend who is green card holder leaves the USA, goes home to Manila and pays a customs personnel not to stamp the entry of his passport. Stays here for two years and enjoy the PI. Once he gets tired of the weather he pays again a customs person to stamp the entry of his passport a month before his planned return to the US. He exits PI and enters US. They do this to establish their residency in the US. Because it would appear that he was out of the US for only 1 month.
For all I know, he could have enjoy the cheap drugs here, found a sexy pinay and unknowingly killed her in a fit of ecstacy. Once he realizes what he has done, call his friend in the US and ask him to buy a pair of roller skates. Just make sure to put his name on the receipt. Plausible...? Now, someone might ask me to testify that I saw him here. I will not, because I have no hard proof that I saw him here. It is only my word and you might not believe the word of a drug addict.
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2010-12-22 13:16
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Aren't the ones who do not want their passports stamped upon entering Philippines the ones with US immigrant status? That would make it seem na they weren't overstaying in the Philippines. But Hubert was not a greencard holder so there is no reason for him to not want to have his passport stamped. Unless the whole crime was premeditated, which goes against what Jessica Alfaro said.
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2010-12-22 13:27
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Talaga lang ha... eh paano yung stamp ng US? For you to go in ang out of US kailangan may stamp sa US costum. Gusto mo ng copy ng passport ko way back in 90's. Kayabangan ng kaibigan mo. Try mo bayaran ang US costum.
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codevee
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2010-12-23 01:37
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What they say here is really true. I was also able to have my passport stamped in such a way due to corrupt immigration officials that I was not in the Philippines, when I actually was in the Philippines. Totoo talaga iyan, kaya mga dokumentong iyan na may stamp ay panay basura kasi ako lang na ordinaryong tao, nagawa ko rin, basta magbayad ng bribe sa mga taga immigration.
SC ruling on Webb's case has HUGE impact towards Filipinos lives. Some people lose their trust to the justice system in the Philippines while some people believe that Hubert Webb is innocent. I pity Lauro Vizconde. All he's gonna do is TO WAIT FOR JUSTICE TO SURFACE. THE QUESTION IS "WHEN"???
sa pinas lang iyan pero port of entry must be actual date you cant fake it/ DNA is admissable in court, only in pinas it was not. pinas need to investigate the prosecutor and the NBI it is not to far the real suspect ay kamag-anak nila thats why they ignored all the evidences submitted by webb campus. we are talking about the truth not pity, don't let your emotion blind you dahil wala na mag-bbayad ng kasalanan kung ito ang pa-iiralin natin.
another controversial case that only the rich can afford to set themselves free.
the poor even they are not guilty they rotten in jails. Question:Why they waited so long to probe they are not guilty? Answer:It takes times to burns and destroyed all evidences. kung pobreng mga Juan dela cruz ang lumaya dahil sa walang sapat na ebidensya at durugista ang testigo maniniwala pa akong hindi nabibili ang hustisya. justice is for sale. Ang Justice for Wheels dapat palawakin nila. Marami itong natutulungan. Justice is the Phils is not that hopeless. Ang hopeless lang yung investigation. Dapat ang presented facts ay beyond reasonable doubt. Hindi yung investigation na nanghuhula lang.
The Visconde Massacre case was clouded by the ambition of Judge Tolentino crucify Webb that was the cry of the mob Tolentino crucifed Webb on the sole testimony of Alfaro she got promoted to Associate Justice of the Court of Appeals, The Late Senator Cayetano was also grandstanding holding press conference everytime the hearing is recessed catapulted to the Senate. If this happened in the United States this case will be dismissed for Judge and prosecutoral miscodunct. It will not reach the Federal Supreme Court.
Mahirap ang buhay kailangan ng additional or increase ng income, then cut pa ng congress budget, naghanap ng sideline, na malaki ang bigay lalo na matatanda na at kailangan ng malaking retirement savings.
I have a friend who overstayed in the U.S. He decided to go back to Manila. He did not want his return to be documented in his Phil passport so he arrived in Manila without any luggage. As soon as he landed the airport in Manila, he just pretended to be walking around the premises, appearing to be lost. So there is no record of him entering the Phil. This occured before 9/11.
So you mean to say that Hubert Webb planned his return to the Philippines thru the backdoor just to rape and kill the Viscondes? It is a documented fact that Hubert left for the states in March 1991 and return in October 1992. Maybe he secretly returned to the Philippines before June 29, 1991 and committed the crime then he secretly returned to the states again. what a brilliant mind you have there...
indo,
ang ibig sabihin ni marie pwede ka makabalik sa pinas na hindi na stamp yung passport. gets? wag mong dagdagan para hindi ma confuse ang tao. the verdict is finished now its time for alfaro to come out to tell who are the n.b.i officials who make this moro moro who are pressured to solved this case i am for mng lauro but how about this people who stayed in jail for 15 years we have also to think how both sides suffered only god knows the truth ,we can only comment but use your g.m.r.c we had learned this in grade 1
What you are saying is that Hubert planned the whole thing ahead of time... He planned to commit the crime which is why he went to the U.S. to set an alibi, and then went back to the Philippines IN SECRET, committed the crime, then went back to the U.S. (again, IN SECRET!), and then months later went back home to the Philippines.
1. Don't you think this is illogical? 2. If someone committed the crime and he has already fled the country, why risk being imprisoned by coming back? Ang bobo mo naman.. Basahin mo nga ang analysis blogs ni BOBO.
March 1991- Dumating sa US si Hubert para magbakasyon. (March kasi matapos ang araw ng eskwela sa PIlipinas) June 20's 1991- Bumalik si Hubert sa Pilipinas kasi panahon na ng pasokan sa paaralan ng Pilipinas. Besides isang anak ng prominente at mayamang pamilya ay hindi naman siguro mag-stop sa pag-aaral at mag TNT sa amerika dahil lang gusto mag bakasyon, di ba? Sa gabi ng June 29, 1991 hanggang madaling araw ng June 30, 1991 ay nangyari ang HINDI INAASAHANg krimen dahil nadala sa TAMA ng druga si HUBERT at ang kanyang grupo. Take note: hindi umuwi si Hubert at nagplano para mang rape o patayin ang mga Vizconde. Ang lahat ng mga pangyayari sa krimen sa gabing iyon ay dulot lang ng mga sequence of events that happened during the day. On June 31 1991- sa pilipinas, matapos malaman ni CONG webb ang nagawa ng anak habang HIGH SHABU ay agad nag-isip ng mga paraan para matakpan. Possibleng may tinawagan sa amerika na bumili ng bike at ipangalan kay HUBERT Webb ang resibo. Sa araw na ito, which is JUNE 31 sa pilipinas ay JUNE 30 1991 pa lang sa amerika kaya JUNE 30, 1991 ang nakasulat sa resibo. Gets? First week of JULY 1991, agad pinabalik si HUBERT sa amerika para simulan ang kanilang alibi na NASA amerika si HUBERT. Take note: JULY 1991 na ito. Ilang araw matapos ang krimen. OCt 1992- Sa pag-aakalang the DEAD END na ang investigayon sa kaso ng masaker ay pinabalik na si HUBERT sa PILIPINAS upang mag-aral muli. 1995 - Ngunit sa taong ito, lumantad ang bagong witness na si Jessica Alfaro. Lahat ng mga resibo at documento, at mga defense witnesses ng kampo ni HUBERT ay pawang mga BEFORE dates at AFTER dates ng gabi ng krimen. Ang tanong: bakit hindi sila maka produce ng mismong witness sa exact date of the NIGHT OF the masaker? Ang sagot: kasi nasa sa PILIPINAS talaga si HUBERT ng gabing iyon. Take Note: pag may pera ka kahit kada linggo ka pumunta sa amerika ay kayang-kaya. isip-isip... kung hindi reliable informant si alfaro, bakit marami siyang naipahuli na mga kriminal thru her information. like ang notorious drug pusher na si christopher cruz santos and orlando bacquir, "martilyo gang" na pumatay ng police officer, etc.(dahilan para alagaan siya ng nbi)
sabihin pang isa siyang drug user/adik: naniniwala ako na ang adik po ay nakakakilala pa rin ng paligid at alam ang mga nasa paligid niya at alam kung ano ang nangyayari sa paligid niya. ang taong kahit high sa drugs ay nakakauwi ng bahay, alam kung ano ang sasakyan pauwi, kung saan dadaan, kung saan ang pintuan ng bahay niya, at nakikakilala kung sino ang kausap niya. hindi po nawawala ang isip ng isang adik. hindi nya lang po kontrolado ang ang mga desisyon niya. at kung ayaw nilang paniwalaan ang sinasabi nilang drug user na si alfaro, bakit pinapaniwalaan nila ang sinasabi ni hubert na isa ring drug user? dahil ba sa kaibahan na isa siyang anak ng maempluensyang tao at si alfaro ay mahirap lang? para masagot ang mga tanong mo punta ka website ng supreme court at basahin ang resolution sa pagpalaya kay hubert web ng malinawan ka. At kung kapanipaniwala si alfaro sana bumalik siya para harapin ulit ang pag imbestiga sa kaso.
nabasa ko na po ang sc desisyon kaya ako ng comment ngayon. pinipilit nilang hanapan ng twist ang testimony ng mga witnesses. ikaw kaibigan, nabasa mo na ba?
YOU ARE BRILLIANTLY CORRECT!!! kahit naka drugs yan mga hinayopak na demonyong nagkatawang taong mga 'yan, alam na alam nila mga nagawa nila- dapat may 'SHOOT TO KILL ORDER' na para sa mga natitirang fugitives. What an inutile futile justice system we have here in the Philippines ---- sobrangggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg bagal ng hustisya. May hustisya na sana inacquit pa. SOS MARIANO KA INDO.
Sana nga ma re-open ang case at bumalik si Alfaro para malinawan ang lahat lalo na yong mga nagcocomment na hinde binasa ang desisyon ng supreme court bakit acquited sina hubert. Mga sarado isip nila because he was once a drug user at mayaman.
Ang gagaling maghusga akala alam na alam ang nangyari sa krimen. Puro kayo "BAKA" baka bumalik si hubert ng hinde nalalaman.... napatunayan ba. Sana may tumistigo na kaeskwela ni hubert or kaibigan ni carmela na may relasyon sila ni hubert tulad na sinabi ni alfaro. Bakit ba hinde lumabas yong BF daw ni carmela na hinantid daw nito baqo nagyari ang krimen para mapatunayan ang salita ni alfaro. Bakit wala testigo mula sa prosecution na residente na nakakita kay hubert sa subdivision nila na mayaman din na hinde mabibili bakit ka maniniwala agad sa temporary laundry woman at guard na puwede takutin or bayaran. Mas naniniwala ako sa desisyon ng supreme court na hinde napatunayan na si hubert ang maysala at dapat mapalaya. Even the sister of Pnoy in her interview believe on his inocence kasi nakita daw ng friend nya sa america si hubert ng time na yon. "Even the sister of Pnoy in her interview believe on his inocence kasi nakita daw ng friend nya sa america si hubert ng time na yon."
--> Yes, I saw that interview of Ballsy Aquino-Cruz (President Noynoy's sister) vouching that Hubert Webb is innocent because some of her relatives and cousins saw Hubert in the U.S. when the Vizconde massacre happened. Winnie is wrong here. Of course Webb and the others are innocent because innocence is always presumed in a criminal case, unless proven otherwise beyond reasonable doubt.
It is not the other way around where the accused is presumed guilty until proven innocent. When one is declared not guilty by the courts in a criminal case, it means one's innocence is preserved and remains untarnished. mga kababayan, unang una bakit nagtatago pa rin yung dalawang akusado sa kaso? Mayroon sila sigurong tinatago. Pangalawa, sinong matino ang isipang magpakulong ng labinglimang taon kung hindi nakonsyensya sa ginawang kasalanan. Akala ko pa naman ay matatalino ang ating mga babaeng justices. Nakita nila ang fault ni Alfaro, di nila nakita ang pagsunog ng evidence ng isang pulis. Ang pagsalaysay ng isang ordinaryong tao tulad ng labandera nina Webb at ng mga security guards sa village. Porket ba sila'y mangmang hindi na bibigyan ng weight ang kanilang testimonya. The record from the US department of justice can only prove whether Mr. Webb has been in the US on those dates. An FBI agent can not prove his presence in America. The Philippine Supreme Court should have requested these records from the US justice department rather than relying on the evidence presented by the accused. It took 15 years for these people to challenge the evidence, why just now? Dahil kulang pa ba ang pagsunog ng evidence noon, kailangan pang mawala ang natitirang evidence para wala ng kaso. Going forward, I challenge the Philippine dept. of justice to request the travel records from the US department of Justice to stop the argument of whether or not Mr. Webb was in the USA during the commission of this heinous crime. That will finally end all questions
Actually, bow ako sa ginawa nung dalawang "at-large" pa. They smelled the coffee early na ipapako sila sa krus via railroaded "justice". If you know you'll get screwed over anyway by the authorities, what's the point of staying around? As for Webb et al, kung hindi sila guilty, bakit pumayag pakulong ng 15 years? MGA BOBO, kaya nga dehins sila tumigil na ilaban iyong kaso hanggang maa-quit sila eh, kasi ayaw nila tanggapin ang akusasyon sa kanila. I am not one to condemn people based on "he says, she says" kind of thing. Utak biya ang gumagawa noon. Give me solid evidence tsong. Kung wala namang nagturo kina Webb, di naman ninyo sila pag-iinitan eh. Labs kasi natin underdog eh no? Anyway, seriously, I hope justice is served in the end for Mr. Vizconde. If the accused really did it, then ayon sa nasusulat, they will burn in hell naman anyway, right? As for ythe NBI, damn you for screwing over an old man's quest for justice by f&^*ng up evidence.
nangyayari talaga yan..pag na pag tripan ka ng pulis o ng kahit sinong otoridad.. parang sa US ung nangyari kay RUPEN HURRICANE CARTER....panoorin nyo maawa kayo sa mga inosente
Ang similya (kupal) na nakuha katawan ni Carmila ay patunay na kay Hubert galing..ayon sa DNA test..!
Bakit pa nga ba ito pinatagal ng 15 taon at sasabihing not guilty..di kaya may hokus pocus na nangyari.. Si judge Tolentino bakit masasabi nyo ba na mali ang husga niya..? sa tagaaaal ng imbistigasyon at inilabas na ibidensiya..TAPOS WALANG KUWENTA PALA..!! Si Visconde ay isang hamak na OFW lamang wala siyang lakas at impluwensiya para labanan ang mga nasangkot sa massacre..mga maimpluwensiya at mga kinikilala sa lipunan..!! hindi lang anak ng senador, pamangkin pa ng prominent lawyer. kaya alam na alam nila kung panu paikutin ang batas dito at sa ibang bansa. nagawa nila makalusot dahil may pera at talino sila na nagamit.
Pambihira naman, kung dahil sa mayaman sila at kaya nilang paikutin ang batas e bakit umabot pa ng 15 years bago naabsuwelto? Basahin mo na lang kasi transcript ng decision ng supreme court at maging objective ka at huwag emotional. Masyado naman yatang sarado ang utak mo kapag lahat ng mayayaman ay naaabsuwelto at lahat ng mahihirap ay nako-convict.
Correction: Hindi naman poor OFW si Lauro Vizconde. ISa pa, hindi ito laban ng mahirap at mayaman.
Si Mang Lauro isa sa mga board of directors ng IBC 13 at consultant ng Pagcor. Sabi nga nya nagpunta sya ng US para maghanap ng school ni Carmela para mag Masters. Alam mo ba kung gaano magpa aral ng Masters sa Amerika? Wag mo namang palabasing mayaman si Mang Lauro... yung trabaho nya sa IBC etc. binigay yun ni PGMA e, kumbaga support yun sa kanya, after na yun mangyari sa pamilya niya...
Kung mayaman ka, hindi mo iiwan pamilya mo... hindi sila mahirap na mahirap, pero pinagtiyatiyagaan yan para mabigyan ng magandang buhay at kinabukasan... tpos sinira lang lahat Well said Mr. Kulit. Sabi nga nila, u dont need to be a Harvard graduate to understand all this things...xxx
this a heated discussion. i think, before anybody posted their comments here, should first read the entire SC script. one need not be a lawyer to fully understand the entire transcript.
http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/2010/december2010/176389.htm go and check it out and appreciate then go back to this discussion and rewrote your previous comments. AGREE...Marami d2 and di nagbasa ng actual transcript of SC decision.
Basahin nyo muna po nang MAINTINDIHAN nyo ang BASIS ng decision hindi yung naglalabas kayo ng sarili nyong mga ebidensya. Kung meron kayong alam, bat di kayo tumistigo nang natulungan nyo pa nag kawawang byudo. hindi na kailangang basahin yan - kahit ang pinaka-hindi nakapag-aral na Juan alam na alam kung sino ang nagsasabi nang totoo tama lang 'yong nagcomment sa taas kung inosente si HW e di sana araw-araw siyang naghunger strike dahil alam niya sa sarili niya na wala siyang kasalanan at nakapagtataka mataba siya sa kulungan payat siya nung freeman pa noon este freeman na pala siya ngayon.
Kaya hindi payat si Hubert, kasi linggo-linggo bumibisita yung pamilya niya, tpos nagsasalosalo... nagdadala nga ng maraming pagkain para sa buong linggo e...
pero totoo yun, kung makulong ka ba naman na inosente ka, magwawala ka, hindi lang hunger strike... pwede pang paeasy-easy habang hinihintay mo yung hatol e... pero yung nahatulan ka ng lower court... magwwla ka tlga, lalo na sa 7th year pa lang... tingnan mo sila Ninoy Aquino etc. mga naghunger strike rin cla... in short, impatient sila... hindi sila yung tipong magsasabi na naniniwala sila sa sistema... e sa simula pa lang na makulong ka, alam mong mali na yung sistema e... e kung may kasalanan ka... magiging patient ka sa justice system, kasi binibili mo yung panahon para makalaya ka... bayaran mo ba naman yung lifetime imprisonment mo ng 15yrs lang, papayag ka tlga, matagal sa matagal, pero matatapos din... Note: assumptions ko lng po 'to It was far from easy, but Hubert was able to survive the 15 years he was in prison with the help of his family who gave him strength: his mom who visited him every single day he was in prison, his family who visited him every Sunday, every birthday, Christmas, New Year, etc. for 15 long years. Not because he knew he was guilty.
Bwekekekeke..Mag Hunger Strike Kung Di Ka Talaga Guilty?? Common..Bwekekeke..
Siguro naman ay mula ng massacre at bumulaga sa publiko ang mga istorya na may tetestigo ay nasubaybayan nating lahat ilang taon ba nilitis ang kaso..?!
Hindi ganoon kadali ang kaso sa massacre sa Visconde MGA KILALA AT MAYAYAMANG TAO ang sangkot..sino ba si Visconde kung ikukumpara sa kanila..?! Kung pera2 lang ang usapan talo si Viconde..at kung pera2 din sana pinili ni judge Tolentino dina sana tumagaaaaal pa ang imbistigasyon..mga ibidensiya ang nag tulak para hatulan ng kaso ang mga nasangkot sa massacre..! Ano sasabihin nyo MALI ANG HATOL NI Judge Tolentino..?! "You just need to be a flea against injustice. Enough committed fleas biting strategically can make even the biggest dog uncomfortable and transform even the biggest nation."
— Marian Wright Edelman Ang daming binansagang "bobo" sa mga comments a... mga kaeskwela siguro ni HW sa college tong mga to... Blind leading the blind leading the blind... Hahaha..
IBA ANG MAYAMAN, MAIMPLUWENSYA AT MATALINO. LAHAT YAN NA KAY HUBERT AND CO. NAGAWA NILA LINLANGIN AT GAWING TANGA ANG SC DAHIL SA MGA PLANTED NA EVIDENCE.
Freddie Webb is not that kind of person. May takot sya sa Diyos. I even remember when I was still young, I went to PCJ church in BF to hear mass. I see him there every Sunday. He is one of those ministers who help the priest give out the Host during Holy Communion.
hindi porket nagsisimba ang isang tao ay mabuting tao na siya at puno na nang takot sa Panginoon maraming tao ang nagsisimba kono pero ang kulo ay nasa loob pakitang-tao lamang the devil wears prada
Just because you're like that doesn't mean everybody else is too.
"justice is like a meal, served only to those who can afford it."
kung mapapatunayan ng sinuman na fake ang mga travel documents na pinakita ng mga webb, thats the only time na maniniwala ako na guilty nga sila..
until then, we cannot say that the accused were proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. There is always a lingering doubt on my mind kung sila nga ay guilty. Appellant Webb’s travel documents and other supposed paper trail of his stay in the US are unreliable proof of his absence in the Philippines at the time of the commission of the crime charged. The non-submission in evidence of his original passport, which was not formally offered and made part of the records, had deprived the RTC, CA and this Court the opportunity to examine the same.
the alleged United Airline ticket of accused-appellant Webb offered in evidence is a mere photocopy of an alleged original, which was never presented (copy from G.R. No. 176389) Possibleng original nga ang travel docs ni Hubert pero di ibig sabihin totoo na yun lahat. Tao po ang gumgawa nung mga documents na yun na possibleng mabayaran. at di rin lahat ng documents na yun ay venirify ng SC at lower courts.
Saka bakit biglang nabago yung travel documents ni Hubert. Porke di dumaan sa tamang diplomatic channels at signatories o kung anuman. Sino ba dapat ang witness na sinasabi ni Alfaro?sympre yung BF nya na sangkot doon sa krimen na di nya nakumbinsing mgtestigo diba. hmm,sa aking opinyon,webb et al are guilty,however,dahil sa mga technicalities na mali na ginamit ng mga prosecutors ay mapapawalang sala talaga sila.Sang-ayon ako sa paliwanag ng mga bumoto na ma-aqcuit sina Webb dahil kung pagbabasehan sa ebidensya,acquitted talaga sina Webb.Wala silang magagawa kundi palayaain sila ayon sa batas. Kaya nga tama si Winnie na dapat baguhin ng mga prosecutors ang sistema nila at ayusin!
Sa pagiging witness naman, kahit anong klaseng tao ka,mapa-adik ka,prostitute,etc ay may right kang maging witness! Kaya sa mga bagay na yan,ang tanging gagawin ng depensa dyan ay sirain ang credibility ng isang witness! Natural yan sa labanan sa korte!Kaya dyan papasok ang tamang ebidensya na aayon sa sinasabi ng witness! SO kahit adik ka pa at nakakita ka ng krimen at nag-witness ka at ayon naman sa ebidensya,may laban ka sa korte. Sa kaso ng mga Webb, nagkamali ang mga prosecutors,end of. at nasan ang credibility ng witness na yan? eh tatlo ang istorya nya. tatlong iba ibang affidavit. credible na credible nga!
hay naku! tama na ang away away nyo dyan...pare pareho na kayong matatalino.kayo na kaya ang pumalit kay mareng winnie...basta ang batas ay para sa mga mayayaman lamang...ako at kung sino man mahihirap na gaya ko ay walang puwang sa batas na ito...all i can say , even if hubert et al, were out of the jail...they still look bangag!!!
"There is a difference between what is wrong and what is evil. Evil is committed when clarity is taken away from what is clearly wrong, allowing wrong to be seen as less wrong, excusable, right, or an obligatory commandment of the Lord God Almighty.
Evil is bad sold as good, wrong sold as right, injustice sold as justic...e. Like the coat of a virus, a thin veil of right can disguise enormous wrong and confer an ability to infect others." — John G. Hartung Kalimutan na ninyo yung mga video,resibo sa bisikleta,mga travel documents,passport etc. ang matibay na ebidensiya ay "papano napunta sa katawan ni Carmela ang semilya ni Hubert Webb"..!?
at nasan naman ang ebidensya na semilya nga ni hubert yon? puro kayo hula! e kayo na si madame auring!
Kung MALI ang hatol ni Judge Tolentino at kasama narin yung mga hurado..dapat lang na alisan sila ng lisensiya..ang lumalabas ay PURO SILA MGA SINUNGALING at mga BULOK..
Kung nagkabayaran nga: Cguro etong mga SC na nagsabing iacquit sila.... hindi na nila kayang harapin si Judge Tolentino sa CA sa sobrang hiya...
Otherwise, si Judge Tolentino yung hindi kayang humarap sa mga SC justices sa sobrang hiya sa ginawa niyang hatol... At oo agree ako, kung ganon bkt kya di kayang pagsabihan ng mga SC justices si Judge Tolentino kung sa mga decisions nila dami nilang reklamo parang kulang na lang sabihin nila palpak/bulag si Judge Tolentino kasi di niya makita yung mga nakikita nila Isa pa..ilang TAOOOONG nilitis ang kaso yan sa Visconde massacre..tapos bigla nalang bubulaga na NOT GUILTY..!! ni hindi ko nabalitaang na binuksan muli "AT" ilang araw lang yata binilang kung ikukumpara sa taong binilang na paglilitis..!!
@#$%)(*^%$^&#@^//!! Botohan yata nangyari sa kaso..ganito nalang sa susunod maraming Judges ang hahatol..tapos itaas nalang ang mga kamay kung guilty or not guilty..!
Kasi sayang lang ang tinagal ng paglilitis tapos ILANG ARAW lang yata nilitis TAPOS..!! NOT GUILTY..!! ha-ha-ha..!! Kataka-taka naman ang claim ng mga WEBB na Hubert overstayed sa US from March 1991 to October 1992 ng mahigit isang taon.
Huminto ba siya ng pag-aaral? Sa tingin nyo ba isang mayaman at prominenteng pamilya ay pinahinto ng pag-aaral ng mahigit isang taon ang kanilang anak dahil mag bakasyon lang sa amerika?! Hmmm.... hindi po logical... The only reasonable explanation is Hubert came to the US on March 1991 (yes, this is true according to the supporting travel documents signed by the US customs and Border patrol). Ngunit, Hubert did came back to the phils around June of 1991 maybe to go to school again in the Phils. He was in the phils during and around JUNE 25-31, 1991 as testified by their housemaids, security guards and Jessica Alfaro the week the crime was committed. However, sa hindi inaasahang insidente ng pag gawa ng rape at murder dahil sa HIGH sa druga ng gabing JUne 29-30, 1991 ay agad nilang pina-alis si HUBERT sa amerika. Siguro, Hubert admitted to his parents of the crime and told them that He was sorry and was just HIGH on drugs. So kahit sino namang magulang ay madaling mapatawad ang isang batang anak na may magandang kinabukasan pa sana. Kaya tuloy pina-alis agad si HUBERT sa america. Hubert's travel documents never did put him on america on the exact date of the crime on JUNE 29-30, 1991 but his lawyers only submitted dates that are way months before and after the crime. In short, they we were just telling the HALF TRUTHS. I wonder why the courts admitted documentary evidences from Webb such as travel tickets, purchase receipts, pictures, etc. and gave much weight in favor of the defendant, no matter how voluminuous such documents are, without asking him to present his original passport as well. His original passport could speak the truth. If the SC decision questioned Jessica's credibility as a witness, I am also questioning the lack of a very substantial document that should have been presented by Webb, which is the "original passport", which, in this article, Ms. Monsod's "The Impact of the Webb Decision", is never mentioned...to be fair to both sides.
I watched the 24 Oras last night and Balsy Aquino said that her cousin saw Hubert Webb in the US during the time when the crime was committed. I don't think Balsy made up that story.
People saw Hubert weeks or even days before the night of the crime but they never on Hubert on JUNE 29-30, 1991 on america. Gets mo?
sabi nila.. "OO nakita ko si Hubert sa america pero hindi naman sa eksaktong JUNE 29-30, 1991." Kasi si HUbert was still in america around June 14, 1991 kaya nga may California driver's license card pa si Hubert issued on June 14, 1991. Ang tanong: Umuwi ba ng bansa si HUbert around June 20's... up to June 30, 1991? Bumalik ba siya o pinabalik kaagad sa america ng kanyang mga magulang matapos umamin at malaman ang nagawa ng anak habang HIGH sa tama ng SHABU. Ang tanong: "Bakit ang haba ng bakasyon ni HUbert sa america from march 1991 hanggang October 1992?! Mahihgit isang taon na bakasyon? Ows... Hindi ba sya nag-aaral o walang balak mag-aral si Hubert na anak ng isang prominenteng pamilya? The truth: 1. Pumunta si Hubert sa america noong March 1991 para magbakasyon. Wala na kasing klase sa Pilipinas pag march. 2. Kumuha si Hubert ng california driver's license ng JUne 14, 1991. 3. Umuwi sa Pilipinas si Hubert after nakakuha ng license around last week ng June 1991, Kasi panahon na ng regular classes sa Pilipinas around last week of June. (first 2 weeks of June ay hindi pa regular ang classes kasi enrollment pa at orientation pa lang ng mga subjects usually). 4. GaBING June 29, 1991 sa hindi inaasahang pagkakataon. dahil sa HIGH sa tama ng SHABU ay nakagawa ng karumal-dumal na krimen si Hubert at ang grupo. 5. Hubert may have confided to his parents tungkol sa nangyari. Kahit sinong magulang ay madaling makapatawad ng anak. Besides, He was HIGH on drugs that time. Blame it on the drugs for the bad decision to commit the crime. 6. Agad pina-alis si HUbert sa pilipinas patungong america. Make sure He sees a lot of relatives, and friends and visit people so they can vouch and testify that he is currently in the US right now. (This is a week after the crime was committed) 7. Then cong. Webb even called a prominent prosecutor lawyer, Then-atty. Carpio from the US and even told Him that he was with HUbert in the US. Ang tanong: was Cong. Webb trying to set-up and pre-condition the minds of credible people like atty. carpio that HUbert is IN the US right NOW? Did Carpio really have to ask if He was with HUbert? No. It was cong. Webb who initiated and informed carpio that He was with Hubert in the US that time. Why? Because cong. Webb that sooner or later during the investigation people can testify that Hubert was in the US. Although this was the week after the crime was committed. By the atty. carpio is now one of the supreme court justices but inhibited himself from the decision making. Pra kay Hubert Webb masuwerte ka parin at walang "death penalty"..buhay kapa kung hindi BUTO ka nalang ngayon..sana tangapin kapa sa langit..
Nag iwan kapa ng ebidensiya..! Merry XXX mas-sacre sayo.. http://jamalashley.blog.com/2010/12/17/vizconde-webb-case-injustice-for-all
JUSTICE DELAYED...JUSTICE DENIED...
ganyan tlaga pg rich, famous & connections as well, they can hire all the experts of law & manipulations, technics, tactics, logics & etc. Poor victims ay ngmumukhang bobo in the end...Pampalubag loob nlang ang sympahty ng taong bayan...xxx onga no? nabayaran ni senator webb ang u.s. bureau of immigration, ang fbi, si u.s. secretary of state madeleine albright, u.s. atty. general janet reno, northwest airlines, etc etc, para doktorin yung mga ebidensya? wow ang galing naman ni freddie webb kung ganon.. how believable.. e kayo na ang hibang..
Gamitin ang simpleng logic sa pamamagitan ng pagsagot ng mga tanong sa ibaba:
1. Kataka-taka na nagbakasyon si HUBERT sa amerika kuno from March 1991 hanggang October 1992... Ano?! Pinahinto ba nila ng pag-aaral si HUbert ng panahong ito para lang makapag bakasyon?! ABa ang haba yata ng bakasyon. Mahigit isang taon! Ang totoo: 1. Bumalik si HUbert sa pilipinas sa last week ng June 1991 matapos magbakasyon sa amerika kasi panahon na ng regular na pasukan sa paaralan sa Pilipinas. 2. June 29, 1991 Nangyari ang hindi inaasahang krimen dahil HIGH sa SHABU. 3. July 1991: ay agad pinabalik sa amerika si Hubert ng kanyang pamilya para simulan ang kanilang alibi na wala sa bansa si Hubert. They made it sure na maraming credible na tao ang makakita, o makausap o makahalobilo ni Hubert para naman may mag testify na nasa amerika talaga si HUbert sakaling siya ay maging suspect. 4. October 1992. Sa pag-aakalang natahimik na ang kaso at imbestigasyun sa Vizconde massacre ay pinabalik na si Hubert sa Pilipinas para mag-aral. (Even though delayed na siya ng more than a year sa pag-aaral dahil sa pagtatago sa amerika. 5. Taong 1995, Jessica ALfaro surfaces to testify against the criminals behind the massacre. Note: Yes maraming credible na tao na nakakita ky Hubert na nasa amerika sya before June 29-30, 1991 and AFTER those dates. Pero kataka-taka nga wala man lang makapagsabi o mag testify o proof ang kampo ng mga WEBB na NASA amerika si HUBERT sa MISMONG gabi ng masaker. Lahat ng ebidensya presented by the WEBBs na proof na nasa amerika si Hubert ay pawang mga araw o dates na BEFORE June 29-30, 1991 and AFTER. Ibig sabihin, nasa pilipinas talaga si HUBERT WEBB ng panahong nangyari ang krimen. i like your analysis which boosts the fact that hubert webb was in the philippines during the commission of the crime. i always like to read winnie monsod's comments on a lot of different things but this piece of her disappoints me. i have been focusing my comments lately on the conspiracy of the newer justices headed by an alleged cousin of freddie webb's wife, conchita carpio morales who did not even have the delicadeza to inhibit herself like her cousin antonio carpio did. even before the case was reviewe by the supreme court, the webbs were already assured of at least 2 votes from the justices if both the carpios did not inhibit themselves. antonio carpio had to inhibit himself because he was bold enough to testify for the defense of hubert webb that he spoke with freddie webb on the phone while in anaheim,california, who attested to the fact that hubert was in anaheim, ca., facts which can easily be manufactured. the vote of conchita morales carpio with the six other justices was a mere cushion or a safety vote because if conchita carpio morales inhibited herself, then the vote would have been 6 on majority for acquittal, 4 for the dissenting opinion and 5 justices inhibited. can you imagine if justice nachura who inhibited himself because he used to be with the solicitor general's office did not have delicadeza and did not inhibited himself, and voted to dissent, and cochita carpio morales inhibited herself (which is highly unlikely) then the justice count would have
been 6 to acquit, 5 dissenting and 4 inhibits. that would have brought the supreme court down the drain because now, the rapist and murderers would be set free because of 1 justice. what i am trying to show here is that one should analyze the totality of the case and the manipulations that was going on in the highest court of the land because all the evidence, testimonies and witnesses, etc is aready under the bridge. one should ask, how did we even get to this point. i believe the supreme court took on the case in april of 2010 and in less than 10 months, they were able to render a verdict on a case which almost took a decade to resolve, with 2 reviews from the court of appeals. i an not trying to be sarcastic, but the judges from the lowest court to the highest court of the land should be made to retake the bar exams as it seems like no one can make a decent judgement nowadays, or is just a matter of a difference in ones environment and influence surrounding them that differs. the carpios have been on that bench and are one of the more senior justices who can easily influence the vote of those justices who were appointed from 2009. shame on these politicians in black robes. now they have tried the water, expect more inconsistent verdicts coming from them. these people are the ones slowly eroding the pillars of democracy and those justices who voted to acquit these rapists and murderers ought to be ashamed of themselves. they should be questioned as to their alliance with the webbs through a collusion with the carpios who were reported to be cousins of mrs webb. and by the way, has anybody recommended subjecting freddie webb to a lie detector test because as a senator of the republic and a doting father of the accused, he i am sure is the one responsible for all the lies and the alibis that they have presented in court. deep in freddie webb's heart, he could not take the fact that he was not able to free his guilty son early on in his political career but was rewarded by mother time so much so that he was able to amass the wealth and influence in politics he needed so as to be able to manipulate the system, got the right timing and was able to free his murderer/rapist son. only one word to freddie webb...KUNSINTIDOR, and he is equally as guilty as an accomplice with his son. Please read the decision first because your analysis is not on the CASE FACTS. You are just trying to establish a conspiracy theory. You do not even try to examine the evidences presented. Please read, so you would not appear dumb.
I'm sorry, but Freddie Webb is not that kind of person. May takot sya sa Diyos. I even remember when I was still young, I went to PCJ church in BF to hear mass. I see him there every Sunday. He is one of those ministers who help the priest give out the Host during Holy Communion.
Ms Diana.. Hindi porket nakita mo ang tao kada sunday na nagsisimba ay maari mo ng sabihing maka-diyos at mabuting tao.
In fact, mismong si Pope Benedict na nga nag public apology para sa mga kahayupang nagawa ng mga pedophile priests sa buong mundo. Take note: Mga pari na nga sila, eh nagkasala pa. how much more si Freddie na hindi isang pari? by the way, pati naman si imelda marcos ay palagin nagsisimba di ba? At si Mayor Sanchez ng Calauan bulacan na nang rape ng isang estyudante ay napakarelihiyoso din, di ba?
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diana
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2010-12-23 21:40
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I believe everybody, including Mr. Freddie Webb, deserves the benefit of the doubt. We should believe in the goodness of a person, until proven wrong. I don't think Mr. Webb has done anything that merits him this kind of judgment. We will all be judged too in the end, by only He who has the right to judge.
Tama ka dyan HEHEHE. Ang pinakamatindi sa lahat...hindi naman iprinesent ni Hubert ang original passport niya sa court e...puro lang mga documents na pwedeng igawan ng paraan in his favor. Ang pinakaimportante ay dapat isinubmit ang original passport niya as evidence...pero HINDI!
Puro kay Alfaro naka focus yun decision...paano naman yun testimony nun maids ng mga Webb..na siya pa ang naglaba ng duguan t-shirt ni Webb...
halatang di ka nagbasa ng SC decision. Hehehe...magbasa ka nga ng matuto ka naman.
Mr. IBM, mukhang hindi ka rin nagbasa sa dissenteng opinion ng apat na SUPREME COURT justices!
Magbasa ka nga... Si Hubert Webb ay may karapatan na idepensa ang sarili sa korte yun nga lang konsensya ang kalaban niya kung siya man ay may sala...Maaring nakaligtas siya sa mga hukom dito sa kalupaan ngunit sa kabilang buhay maaring doon siya lilitisin na naayun sa katotohanan..Sa mga nagdaang araw ang desisyon ay naka focus kay Alfaro nawalan ng saysay ang ibang testigo... hindi komo drug user ang isang tao ay mali na ang kanyang sinasabi...Naway magkaroon ng hustisya sa mga Vizconde...Ang nangyari sa SC court decision ay patalastasan nang kuro kuro na kung uunawain nang mabuti ay may mga bagay na indikasyon nang isang malikhain na idelohiya ngunit sila man din ay may mga katanungan sa kanilang final na desisyon..
Mr. Freddie Webb is not that kind of person. May takot sya sa Diyos. I even remember when I was still young, I went to PCJ church in BF to hear mass. I see him there every Sunday. He is one of those ministers who help the priest give out the Host during Holy Communion.
Naku Diana ikaw pala ay madaling paikotin at linlangin ng mga demonyong mapagkunwari you are vulnerable to be the next victim o baka ikaw ay relative ni Hubert Webb hindi porket nagsisimba ang isang tao ay mabuting tao na siya at puno na nang takot sa Panginoon maraming tao ang nagsisimba kono pero ang kulo ay nasa loob pakitang-tao lamang the devil wears prada
tama ang sinabi ng isa sa mga nag comment d2 hindi natin maalis sa mg sc judge natin na acquit sila webb una if u remember at some point lawyer of webb ask jessica if he know them all jessica find it hard to point each one of them by name mean kung sino si webb or kung sino ung isa... kahit mag pangap sila na reporter or something makikilala nya ung isang tao kung labisado nya ung mukha... pangalawa ung pabagobago ng statement ni jessica un pa lng hindi na credible un..
at some point some investigation show some other evidence na about dun sa ibang finger print na nakita sa bahay pero binasura lng... then webb show some credible evidence that the fact na nsa america siya mahirap naman siguro ma fake ung mga papers or documents na galing pa mismo sa usa at may pirma mula dun... at isang interview on a public officer there (immigration) na there were really documents that webb been there and work there.... to make this thing short if jessica is the real witness here and not an asset show some hard evidence that make webb the real suspect, pakita nila na hindi totoo ung mga documents na pinakita ni webb, un eh kung may mapapakita sila hindi mo ba alam na kahit mga taga immigration ay nababayaran din (ngayon alam mo na) may mga malalapit akong mga kaibigan na nasa iraq at afghanistan na ngayon malalaki na sahod nakabili na nang bahay at kotse nakapuslit sila dahil may binigay sila na pera sa mga taga immigration bago sila pumunta sa iraq at afghanistan may briefing sila kung saan pipila sa immigration at kung saan ilagay ang pera NOTHING IS FOR FREE NOWADAYS
ang galing mo naman kung kaya mong bayaran ang United Airlines, FBI, US Bureau of Immigration, US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, US Attorney General Janet Reno, to falsify documents for you. ano ba si Freddie Webb, prinsipe ng Brunei?
Ang bobo mo naman patty...
Oo nga may travel documents si Hubert na he arrived in the States sa March 1991. At meron din syang travel documents na nakarating sa Pilipinas sa October 1992. Hindi namn kinuwestyun iyon ng mababang hukuman ang authenticity ng mga travel documents galing US. Ang point of the matter is kung umuwi ba si Hubert sa Pilipinas between June 20-31, 1991 at bumalik kaagad sa amerika matapos ang krimen sa July 1991. Ang kampo ni Hubert were very tricky at misleading at deceptive kasi yung mga documento na ipinakita nila ay pawang half-truths lang. Kaya tuloy xerox copy lang ng passport ni Hubert ang kanilang isunumite sa Judge. kasi baka makita ang arrival stamp ni Hubert sa June 20's 1991 sa Pilipinas at departure stamp July 1991 pabalik ng amerika after nagawa ang krimen. Some people just want to believe na may magic carpet si Hubert Webb...Fairytale po iyon. Si Aladin lang ang meron nyan at sa disney lang po nakikita yan.
Noong nililitis pa kaso ng Visconde hindi puwede ang DNA test..na iyon nga ang semilyang nakuha kay Carmela..year 2000 pinayagan na ng SC ang DNA..
Ang siste ng payagan na ng SC ang DNA .."NAWAWALA DAW" sabi ng NBI..!! Ano ang ibig sabihin ng NBI sa nawawalang ( or iniwala talaga ) na katibayan na siyang mag didiin sa kaso ng massacre sa Visconde..sa ginawa ng NBI hindi mawawala sa isipan ng tao na may hokus pocus na nangyari..sa nagyaring yan talagang kay Hubert Webb ang semilya (kupal) na sinabi na nawala daw ng NBI.. Nakakapag taka talaga NBI nawawalan ng ebidensiya..!! hahahahaha haaa..!!! lokohin nyo lolo nyo..!! Atty. F to Mayor Unsay Ampatuan at Gov. Ampatuan:
Atty. F: Mayor andal, huwag kayong mag-alala sa kaso nyo. Ampatuan: Bakit ho Atty? Atty. F: Madaling makalimut ang mga pinoy. Hintay nyu lang na lumamig ang sitwasyun. Tingnan nyo ang nangyari sa sa kaso ng Vizconde massacre. Napalaya din sila. Ampatuan: OO nga noh. Mga bobo kasi itong mga pilipino. Lahat mabili ng pera at may presyo. Atty F: hehehe... Si Convicted child rapist Jalosjos nakalaya na din. Yung mga magdalo soldiers pinalaya din. Si ex-general Garcia nanagnakaw ng mahigit 300 million nakalaya na din. Ampatuan: Pati nga si IMELDA marcos na alam ng lahat na napakakurap ay hindi nabilanggo atty. May pag-asa pa. hehehe Atty F: Kaya nga.. relax muna kayo... balang araw.. matabunan din ito ng ibang balita kagaya sa paglubog ng mga malalaking barko na superferry ni isang tao ay walang nabilanggo. nakalimutan na ng tao din. Ampatuan: Sana may bagong patok na balita naman ang darating noh para makalimutan din nila ang AMpatuan masaker. Pati nga ang mga kasong kurapsyon ni GLORIA ay walang nakulong. HEHEHEHE alam ng mga hukom na guilty beyond reasonable doubt ang mga akusado,pinalaya dahil sa pagkawala ng mga ebidensya,bukod dyan galing sa maykayang pamilya ang mga kriminal at mga kamag-anak at kaibigan ang mga hukom.
kung tutuusin mas masahol pa sa mga kriminal ang mga tagahatol dahil sila ang dapat magtatanggol sa mga naapi pero sila pa ang umapi sa dati ng mga api at biktima. iniisip siguro ng mga hukom si Mr.Vizconde ay matanda na at kahit makulong man ng habambuhay ang mga salarin hindi na maibabalik ang buhay ng mga mahal nya sa buhay kaya malamang alam din ni Mr.Vizconde na palalayain ng mga tagahatol ang mga salarin dahil mas matimbang sa kanilang puso ang awa sa mga akusado keysa sa mga napaslang ng mga yon. justice system in this country is only for the rich,and those who has no money,connections and influence must rotten in jails. its a fact of life,it hurts but that´s how justice works in the so called democratic country. kung sa komunistang bansa nangyari ang ganyan krimen pugot na ulo ng mga yan,wala ng kulong-kulong ng ilan taon para lang iwala ang mga ebidensya at makagawa ng mga mabisang alibi kesyo hindi sila ang salarin,sa haba ng ginawang paglilitis bakit kailan lang sila naglabas ng mga dokumento na mga kopya lang,dapat orihinal ang ipinakitang ebidensya hindi mga kopya lang para matiyak na orihinal na pasaporte nga ni HW pinagkunan ng mga yon hindi passport ng ibang tao. it takes 15 years to iron the case and the result perfect timing not guilty verdict. ilan bansa sa mundo ang may hustisyang gaya sa pinas,hindi na ako magtataka kung bakit marami ang wala ng tiwala sa hustisya mas gusto pa nila ipasa Diyos na lang ang lahat. but somehow the perpetrators had manages to pay their committed crimes for 15 short years,while in jails they learn that they are not getting anymore younger but what matters to them they are as free as the birds although the fight is not over yet for their conscience will hunt them ´til they die. Sen. Lacson..umuwi kana..yang kasong kinasangkutan mo wala naring problema..tutal kinikilala karin sa lipunan kagaya ng mga nasangkot sa Visconde...kita mo..?
Basahin mo yung bloger na kasali d2 si "ONLI IN THE PHILS"..diba..??! @ Mr, Visconde, Hired Guns lng katapat ng mga yan.... Isang ulo Isang Bala tapos ang istorya ..hehehehe
I suggest na basahin nyo muna yung buong desisyon bago kayo mag comment. Dont u find it absurd na isang NBI asset ang MISMONG nakasaksi ng krimen? Tapos it took her 3 years bago lumantad....BAKIT? Kasi ni rehearse pa muna yung mga sasabihin niya bago nagsalita si Jessica.
Actually, dapat nga taung matuwa dahil justice finally prevailed. Pano kung sa atin nangyari to, na makulong ng walang kasalanan...siyempre ang tanging pag asa nyo na lang eh ang Korte Suprema na pag aaralan kaso nyo. Sadly, marami taung mga kababayan na nakakulong na walang kasalanan. Tama si Mareng Winnie, kung hindi kumuha ng magagaling na abugado sila Webb, malamang nakakulong pa rin sila.... Paano tayo nakakasiguro na ang mga akusado sa Visconde massacre ay walang mga kasalanan..? una hindi naman natin puwedeng sabihin na mga walang kuwenta mga abugado ng mga nasangkot ng panahong nililitis ang mga akusado..at ilang taon bang nilitis yang kaso bago hinatulan..kumpara sa ngayon na isang lingo lang yata "NOT GUILTY"na..at si Alfaro "nawawala..yung ebidensiya ganoon din nawawala..so..parang planted ang lahat..ano pa saysay ng hustisya pag ganitong ang mga napaka importanteng tao at ebidensiya ay NAWAWALA..!!
Ang mabuti pa itong si Visconde humingi nalang ng BALATO doon sa mga bumotong judges na NOT GULTY..!! Si Jessica malamang kumita din yon kaya nawala nasa Pinas..!! masayang BAGONG TAON NALANG..!! GUYS GUYS GUYS n GALS , simple lang yan, as we all AGREE that our JUSTICE SYSTEM is CORRUPT then there's only one thing remaining, ONE FINAL solution to CLOSE this CASE. DDS (DAVAO DEATH SQUAD) is just a PHONE CALL away, why not ask and pay them 1 million pesos each for WEBB et al accused criminals and include Freddie Webb also to be liquidated para matahimik na lahat most specially Mr Visconde kawawa naman ang matanda...That's it folks ...and keep quiet na Ms. Monsod...AN EYE FOR AN EYE is the solution....
ksama dpat ma assasinate yun judge na humawak sa kaso lalu kung garapal ang pagkakaluto
payag kaming ma assasinate pati si Justice Corona kung makapal tlga at ayaw mag resign Poor Visconde pinag tulungan..
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10..!! KNOCK DOWN..! Kung sa Kataastaasang Hukuman mismo may palakasan, hindi umiiral ang hustisya at espiritu ng batas kundi patronage exercise of justice kung sino may kapit sa korte kaso niya ang mananalo o pagtatakpan minsan ma dismiss
Magtataka paba kayo kung ganyan maging resulta ng Visconde case? Walang mali sa batas ang mali ay kwestyunableng integridad at pamamaraan ng Judiciary hindi na sila nirerespeto ng tao at wala ng kredibilidad sobrang tagal n nitong case na toh
negosyo na ng alinman hukuman ang patagalin ang kaso dahil sa ganyan paraan kumikita ng limpak-limpak na pera ang mga abogado,mahistrado,testigo at hukom.
Nung una po, nang nabalitaan ko yung desisyon ng mga hukom, nadismaya ako at nagalit. Sobrang naawa ako Kay mang lauro.
Ngunit nabasa ko ang decision nila, napa isip ako na maaaring may kamalian sa dating paghusga. May masamang pakiramdam ako sa nangyari, may malaking problema dito na Hindi natulungan ng witness na Hindi po credible, ng mga anak mayaman na mga drug addict din. Ang nangyari, itong katarungan at katotohanan na gusto natin makatapos sa kasong Ito, naglaho dahil sa sirkong naganap. I doubt if the truth will ever come to light. i strongly believed the controversial witness in behalf of the real witness dared to testified for the truth so that the perpetrators would got punished for their evil acts.
ganunpaman napagtanto ng hukuman na ang 15 taon na pagkabilanggo ay sapat ng parusa sa mga kriminal kaya inabswelto na ng mataas na hukuman para mapalaya na sila. kahit guilty ay pinalabas na hindi guilty para wala ng dahilan ikulong pa sila dahil ang mga ebidensya ay naglaho na kaya wala ng magpapatunay na sila ang may kagagawan ng krimen. sa unang paglilitis,napatunayan ng hukuman na guilty ang mga akusado dahil sa tugmang salaysay ng witness at sa mga katibayan ng ebidensya na nagpapatunay na sila Webb ang may gawa ng krimen. the lost of evidence has mades it easy for the supreme court to grant a not guilty verdict. its a pure total white wash and we all know the truth but we all want to denied the truth. it could happened to ampatuan case,ten years from now if all evidences are burn up and nowhere to find all the accused will be set free and declared not guilty even the wholeworld knows they were all guilty with out any doubts. hustisya sa pinas,nabibili,naitatama ang mali at nagiging inosente ang mga mayayaman kriminal mga pobre lang ang nabubulok sa piitan. what a brilliant article i loved to read it .keep on posting such things. .
Para kay Visconde huwag nalang niyang ituloy pa ang imbestigasyon sayang ang pagod,pera at sa huli ay WALA rin talagang mangyayari..tapos na..!!
At para din kay Visconde kung totoo may epekto ang pag TITIRIK NG KANDILA ganoon nalang ang gawin mo..ipa diyos mo nalang ang kaso..
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