Monday, August 4. 2008MOA – Quo Vadis?
The Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) on the Ancestral Domain Aspect of the GRP-MILF Tripoli Agreement on Peace of 2001 is supposed to be signed Tuesday, the 5th of August 2008. As in all peace agreements, the signing of the MOA is the easy part notwithstanding the protests and the many discordant voices from “foul” to “sell out”. The formidable task for the Philippine government (GRP) and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is to win public support for the accord that would eventually lead to a “successful” plebiscite in all the areas to be added to the core territory of the Bangsamoro (the present ARMM plus the six municipalities of Baloi, Munai, Nunungan, Pantar, Tagoloan and Tangcal in Lanao del Norte).
To appreciate the MOA, one has to understand the struggle of the MILF in the name of the Bangsamoro peoples. In bold stroke, the peace process between the GRP and the MILF is geared towards solving a "sovereignty- based" conflict. The “non-understanding” of this kind of conflict is, precisely, the source of the many of the confusion or a lack of understanding about the nature of the struggle of the Bangsamoro. It is a truism that the solution to conflict depends on the type of conflict. There is no “ready- made” and “fit-all” solution to conflicts. The way to resolve the Bangsamoro question entails answering a sovereignty-based struggle that is at the root of their aspiration and dream as a distinct nation. The MOA on Ancestral Domain Aspect of the GRP-MILF Tripoli Agreement on Peace of 2001 is, definitely, a step towards answering to that sovereignty question. The title "MOA on Ancestral Domain Aspect of the GRP-MILF Tripoli Agreement on Peace of 2001” is misleading. The MOA is not just about "ancestral domain" in the ordinary sense of the word. The MOA creates the very prism, the framework and the mechanism to realize their dream and aspiration. The MOA will be difficult to understand, simply because it introduces a new and unfamiliar paradigm in looking at the issues involved in the peace process. In the past, the peace negotiations were done and approached by insisting on the Constitution as if it were written in stone. It is no accident that the peace negotiators of the past had to negotiate within the “box”, that is, the principles of sovereignty, territorial integrity, and political independence. Atty. Camilo Montesa of the Institute for Autonomy and Governance, a Cotabato-based Think Tank, narrated to the Kusog Mindanaw Group the genesis of the new paradigm as used in the negotiation with the MILF beginning December 2006. The new paradigm is based on the concept of "earned sovereignty" as a way out of the intractable positioning of the parties. The new paradigm had the following three stages: Stage 1: Shared sovereignty. The GRP and the MILF shall agree on an initial stage of shared sovereignty, whereby the Philippine State and soon-to-created sub-state, Bangsamoro Juridical Entity (BJE) will jointly exercise some sovereign authority powers and functions over a defined territory in Mindanao (with the present ARMM territory as the core). The main flaws of the otherwise a very good paradigm are basic which could have been addressed easily by government while negotiating with the MILF. The paramount flaw is the absence or utter lack of consultation of stakeholders, including Christian leaders, indigenous peoples in Mindanao, and peace advocates themselves. This flaw contravenes the very essence of any peace process which is participative of the stakeholders. The participative aspect of any process can NOT be overemphasized since this should lead to a regional and national consensus on the peace formula. The second flaw is the lack of transparency and thus the lack of accountability in the whole process. It is rather very tragic that a good paradigm is now being “torpedoed” on the basis of fundamentals (consultation and transparency) that could have been easily addressed. The same fundamentals are required in the upcoming negotiations on the Comprehensive Compact (or Final Peace Agreement). The third flaw is the fact that the government negotiating peace with the MILF is at its lowest ebb. The social capital and the credibility of Government are busted. For a peace process to bring to a successful conclusion will require a very high social capital and credibility that this Government sorely lacks. Government has to do a lot of “selling”, “cajoling” and “convincing”, especially so when the waters the Parties have navigated in coming up with the MOA are deep and little known. For this very reason, Government should have walked the extra mile in making sure that the stakeholders are on board. The way Government negotiated the MOA would appear that it will NOT deliver on its commitments. Thus I have made observations that point to the seeming “bad faith” of government in the negotiation of the MOA. In an earlier forum, I have raised the issue of Government’s real motive in coming up with this MOA knowing fully well that it cannot deliver. Is it simply a feather in its cap and feather it shall remain…? Or is this a plan to use the MOA for something more “sinister” like perpetuating itself beyond 2010 through charter change? What is the MOA? By the GRP-MILF MOA on ancestral domain according to Atty. Camilo Miguel Montesa, Executive Director of the Institute for Autonomy and Governance (IAG), the Philippine government agrees to: - Recognize the Bangsamoro people as “distinct from the rest of the national communities;” Who are the Bangsamoro? The Bangsamoro people refer to “those who are natives or original inhabitants of Mindanao and its adjacent islands including Palawan and the Sulu archipelago at the time of conquest or colonization and their descendants whether mixed or full native blood.” Spouses and descendants, including the Lumads, he said, are also classified as Bangsamoro “unless they choose otherwise.” “They are the ‘First Nation’ with defined territory and with a system of government having entered into treaties of amity and commerce with foreign nations,” Montesa said. Bangsamoro territory Under the MOA, the Bangsamoro territory comprises the following areas: - the present Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao (ARMM); Montesa said that under the MOA, the Bangsamoro homeland did “not form part of the public domain.” Thus, it is “not within the jurisdiction of the Philippine government.” The Bangsamoro homeland, he added, “encompasses ancestral communal and customary lands, maritime, fluvial and alluvial domains as well as all natural resources therein that have inured or vested ancestral rights on the basis of native title.” Bangsamoro government The Bangsamoro territory will be governed by the Bangsamoro Juridical Entity (BJE). Montesa said the “relationship between the Philippine government and the BJE shall be associative characterized by shared authority and responsibility with a structure of governance based on executive, legislative, judicial and administrative institutions with defined powers and functions.” The BJE’s purpose is to “establish a system of governance suitable and acceptable to them as a distinct dominant people.” Montesa said the public still does not know about the MOA. He said peace will not work if people are not informed about the agreement and why it should be supported. The MOA is expected to encounter rough sailing right after its initialing. North Cotobato, Iligan City, Zamboanga City are now raising their loud protests over the MOA and accusing the Arroyo government for lack of consultation and transparency. They claim that the MOA will require several other steps, including charter change and another plebiscite “only to face stumbling blocks along the way.” They warn the government is courting trouble by signing the MOA, especially when the leaders themselves are not aware of the content and the process of the MOA. Trackbacks
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we say yes to peace in mindanao but not to BJE. the government are trying to sell some part of mindanao,for the sake of pogi points and they are trying to spoiled the MILF favor. try to look areas where the MILF dominated?..
* the 2004 presidential election easily cheated, how much more to write " yes or no " Philippines consist of "LUZON-VISAYAS-MINDANAO" no more..no less. Giving BJE a chance is a way of departing the true blue Filipinos.
Signing of MOA ay nagpapatunay na ang kasalukuyang gobyerno ay walang kakayahan na patakbuhin ang ating bansa. Napaka walanghiya naman ng gobyernong ito, ginawa natin ang lahat para hindi maagaw ang maliit na isla ng Pag-asa sa may bandang Palawan laban sa mga Tsinat iba pang claimant ng Spratlys. Ngayon, samantalang kitang kita na ang Mindanao ay talagang teritoryo ng Pilipinas, pinag bahayan ng mga Filipino at iba pa ay gusto ngayong ibigay ng Gobyerno ni Arroyo sa mga Moros. Gusto yatang biyakin ang Pilipinas dahil sa gusto natin o hindi ang Moro Juridical Entity ay tutuloy yan sa pag separate ng Moro lands sa Pilipinas. At ang pinaka alarming dito dahil merong probiso ng separate security forces ang Moro Entity. posibleng maka imbak sila ng mas mabibigat na armas dahil sa mga tulong ng mga Muslim countries. At kung mangyari yon, goodbye yong sinabi nilang "Peace" sa buong Mindanao dahil lulusubin nila ang lahat na parte ng Mindanao at Palawan. Ang gobyernong ito talaga eh, imbes na depensahan ang territorial integrity ng Pilipinas ay gusto yatang biyakin pa ito. Napakasama nyo!
ako hindi taga mindanao full blooded filipino lang wala akong sama ng loob sa mga kapatid nating muslim dahil wala naman itong kinalaman sa relihiyon. tama ka kabayan bakit nating hayaan ang parte ng bansa natin ay ibibigay sa rebelde.noong una ano bang ginawa ng ibang pilipino sa kanika inagaw ba ang lupain nila at hindi na sila makapagtanim at mabuhay ng matiwasay?sa nababasa ko tungkol sa mga buhay ng tao sa mindanao lalo na MILF control areas ay hindi nga makatao. instead na punahin sana ng gobyerno lalo pang palakihin ang ulo.walang muslim o kristiyano sa ugaling isang masama pero d naman dapat ganito ang paraan para sa kanila.bakit ang gobyerno ang sumusuko sa rebelde dapat magpakita ng katapangan at matibay na paninindigan.MILF pa lanf suko na e kung China gustong kunin batanes e di pamigay na rin.si esperon sayang lang yung naabot nya sa serbisyo bopols pala.o naduduling sa papartehin nya...
FUCK YOU !!! all GRP panel!!!!! that is the last word we can say from the PEACE LOVING MINDANAONS, Junk the BJE it is adding more conflict among us here in mindanao..... shit arroyo goverment!!.....
I am a Christian with a Muslim sentiment but I am not infavor of the MOA or any Bangsamoro Land.
They said poverty & neglect from the central government fuels them to raise arms against the state, daaammmnn! You know the reason why the muslim in Mindanao is generally poor & that is because of their political leaders & how corrupt they are. Being in the government for most of the Muslim in Mindanao is something like a goldmine that will kill & die for it "money". Corruption from their leaders is the root cause of ths problem & nothing more & nothing else. Can a simple municipal mayor can have mansions,cars & a private army. Its a open secret!. Its a culture for some of the Muslim in Mindanao that being in the government is goldmine & that is why thr fellowmen is so poor of the poorest because they (Muslim Politician)suck from the last drop of blood. Even their so called freedom fighter like the MILF & MNLF leaders & I hope someone & somebody can audit their wealth. Misuari has billions of peso perished.
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a.of laguna
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2008-08-09 05:10
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just wanna say that signing the MOA will legitimize MILF terrorism in Mindanao. Christian n Muslim relationship in Mindanao are ok, dont rock the boat!!!please lang po. wala n bang kakayahan ang govt na supilin ang mga rebelde sa mindanao? this just prove that we have a weak govt
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Sergio Santibanez
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2008-08-15 13:06
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...i share your sentiments ....
hoy christian. pls keep silent ok..
if the bangsa moro Settles in the mindanao.. i asure u that you can rest and peace here in mindanao...! shwwWWwWwwwwwWWW...! matolog nalang kau jan ok...? bye......!!!! pare or tol Spouse to be ang nga moro totoong may ari ng mindanao. im also a muslim people you know what since noong domating kayong mga christian dito sa mindanao mas lalo kaming na golo. and now im sorry guy's i am agree the BJE our brothe MILF wanted to ! Established the very concervatve
religion here in mindanao.. now this is the time to get are we lost after the long long year.........! Mohammad.. im a student from zamboanga.i have grown up here and im really not in favor of the BJE.because even if there would a plebiscite,i have believe that there will be a big possibility of manipulation.
P.S. Zamboanguenos have already spoken TWICE via PLEBISCITES. when asked if they want to be a part of ARMM, for TWO times.. the gov't got a resounding NO. SCARY: GMA is not only giving up a part of the region, she's giving up a part of her people. SCARIER: if this wouldn't be pushed, would that mean war? SCARIEST: moros fight for their so called ancestral domain. what if the other ethnic groups claim for theirs? there are a lot of ethnic groups in the country, that could probably spur more problems. like, what if the igorots claim the mountain province? GLORIA, come on. THINK. even just for once.2010 is the end of the line. Sovereignty is not an issue here in Mindanao. Christians have suffered hunger, lack of social services, and poverty over-all caused by GRAFT and CORRUPTION. At one gathering of Muslim political officials here, you might have mistaken the event as a CAR SHOW with the latest models and accessories. In most Christian dominated cities, national agency heads such as the BIR, LFTRB, CUSTOMS, LTO are headed by Muslims and yet corruption, blatant extortion EXISTS. Try proving it and you die as your business dies. We are on survival mode here, not from only from Christian corrupt officials, but Muslim corrupt officials as well.
Kawawa talaga ang bansa natin ang dami ng problema, hindi ako sang ayon sa BJE dahil lalo lang lalaki ang problema.Im sure na pag na approve ito magpapalakas lang ang mga rebelding MILF at mag parami ng armas, para sa susunod buong mindanao na ang kanilang aangkinin. Wag namn sanang mangyari kung ganito ang kalalabasan pero ang lalong kawawa dito ay ang mga kababayan nating mahihirap. Trabaho, pabahay, at murang pagkain ang solusyon dito at hindi BJE.
I agree with richard , I would respectfully ask the author of MOA BJE, why and how in the world did it justify the inclusion (to the said MOA )of other barangays (not part of ARMM) which were living peacefully with indigenous minority mulslim residents for decades?
In doing so the MILF will virtually rule the expanded ARMM areas without firing a single shot? This is a stupid proposition.Puede pa sana ito MOA mangyari sa present ARMM territory. This is twist is a single proof and hallmark of a hidden personal political agenda. We are virtually giving a Phil. sanctuary to AI International terrrorists. Lalong lalaki ang pagtataguan at mass support ng fugitive indonesian terrorists. the government not selleng any part of mindanao like the american who sell it in the past,they only giving these to the real owner of it,the non native of this land can't say that they but there area to native moro because before moro don't what is lnd title...
I'm a native of Mindanao too. We have our own dialect but even in precolonial days we are non-muslim. So why claim Mindanao as Muslim area? The truth is, when the Spaniards arrived, Mindanao is not a Muslim area. True, they only started conversion but mostly settling in southern Mindanao facing Borneo that are link by islands. They have also settled as far as Lanao. Even as far as Manial but as I said, they only started settling in, but are not native of the place. Why then include us in the BJE? The Manubos, Magbanuas and others are the real natives of Mindanao, and they are all non-muslim. The Muslims are just settlers like the rest of them. The people in the north are ignorant of this fact that is why they are giving away this land.
Expanded territory under BJE is not the final and lasting peace solution to the existing secessionist mode of the moros.
Based on the history, No war occured between christians, muslims, roman catholic and lumads before 1970. They live in harmony, peacefully and co-existed. However after Nur Missuari founded the MNLF armed groups, the peacefull society of Mindanao became the battle ground for more than half a century. Even with peace agreement and ceasefire brokered by neighboring countries with the assistance of Organization of Islamic Countries), Peace became a remote possibility. If the Government really wants longterm solution, the Government should immediately dissolved the current Negotiating Peace Panel and instead create academic and idealistic with creative minds and sense of nationalism. Perhaps no corrupt mind with politician and military goons instict should be appointed. The burden of this problem should not be solely shouldered by the Pilipinos. Malaysia should also sacrifice as a muslims brothers of the moros by returning the SABAH to the rigthfull owners. Instead of expanding the land areas of the ARMM thru reducing the land area inhabited by the Pilipinos, BJE should considered SABAH. In my humble opinion, i suggest that the entire Sulu, Basilan and SABAH be given to the MOros and give them independence. All muslims brothers living in the Philippines can choose where they will stay. In case they choose to join and live with muslims brothers, the Philippine Government should help them to evacuate thru free transportation while those who to remain as Pilipinos should be given equal rights like the ordinary citizen and no favors. All muslims and lumads or christians who opted to remain in the Philippines teritory should be dis-armed including all politicians as well. No more army should be allowed inside the country other than the army that represent our nation. In this case, the Moros can practice their culture, tradition and religion to their new country consist of Sulu, Basilan and SABAH without hindrance to other religion. While we (Pilipinos) can live peacefully and the money intended for guns can be diverted into livelihood project. Philippines is already a very small country if Bangsamoro people will get what they want then what happens next? new structure of Goverment? new laws? new boundaries? If today the gap of muslims and christians in Philippines is obviously getting worst imagine what it become if they will be recognized as an independent body of their own goverment? Our country particularly Mindanao will never reach peach if the Bangsamoro people will insist and always think of isolating themselves from the country where they were born and raised, are they ashamed to be called Filipinos?
Philippines is already a very small country if Bangsamoro will get what they want, then what happens next? new structure of Goverment? new laws? new boundaries? If today the gap of muslims and christians in Philippines is obviously getting worst imagine what it becomes if they will be recognized as an independent body with their own goverment? Our country particularly Mindanao will never reach peace if the Bangsamoro people will insist and always think of isolating themselves from the country where they were born and raised, are they ashamed to be called Filipinos? Also, the Philippine Government must never act by its own without the consultation and approval of the entire nation. The entire Filipino people are affected by this therefore we have the right to be heard as well not just the Bangsamoro people.
I truelly agree with u richard. MOA is not the answer mindanao's conflict. We should examine first what is the root of this conflict. The government should not think for an instant medicine just to be please. Because not all people of Mindanao are Muslim there are also big community of Christians, if this MOA would be approved the next will happen, christians will also form new group. ARCM Autonomous Region of Christians in Mindanao isnt possible?
to: #2 anonymous.
Di mo ba maintidihan. ang sinabi doon sa taas? basahin mo ito. Who are the Bangsamoro? The Bangsamoro people refer to “those who are natives or original inhabitants of Mindanao and its adjacent islands including Palawan and the Sulu archipelago at the time of conquest or colonization and their descendants whether mixed or full native blood.” Spouses and descendants, including the Lumads, he said, are also classified as Bangsamoro “unless they choose otherwise.” “They are the ‘First Nation’ with defined territory and with a system of government having entered into treaties of amity and commerce with foreign nations,” Montesa said. -------------------------------------- KAYA; ikaw at saka iyong mga iba dyan mahiya naman kayo. hindi kayo bangsa moro, TAGA labas kayu so huwag na huwag nyo i-claimed sarili nyo. taga doon kayo pagkatapos againts kayo sa MOA. "you don't really understand na kayo ay visita lang doon sa moroland? ha, Yes, I agree with the earlier comments... If GRP will let it pass..... a new group will do the same...maybe- Bangsa-Indio...that will be Luzon....then Bangsa-Semi Indio that will be the Visayas.
Ow. come on GRP giving ransom money is not your way...but giving ransom land is worst. The more you sub-divide Philippines. Filipinos should live together, whether you like it or not. Whatever your religion is or even your atheist....One Philippines! Zamboanga city goverment officials who lead the protest should also be charged of sedition, imagine he wants to go backwards by promoting the city the into 'Latin city', he never realized the how cowardly the Spanish treathing the local inhabitants during their conquistadores era in the philippines. The conqueitadores were even called the Filipinos forefathers an "indio". The mayor himself is the descendants of Spanish conquistadores. He should be removed from that place and let him go to Spain and enjoy with his relatives.
magandang pakinggan kung "latin city" ang zamboanga city kesa "moros city".sa totoo lang, saang lugar may maraming muslim,gulo lang ang naibigay kaya kahit kailan hindi aasenso ang mindanao habang andyan kayo nanggugulo.
I am also with the plans for peace in Mindanao but I strongly don't agree with the BJE.
I grew up in Mindanao and has seen what the real problem is. I have some of the points here which I need to raise: 1. If the goal of the BJE is to allow them to gain governance over this areas, what then is ARMM? Isn't that one of the solution??? Is ARMM doing better today??? Like if the areas of Sulu, Basilan etc are now under ARMM, aren't we suppose to have developments in terms of peace??? Aren't the ARMM supposed to be solving these problems since they are now the ones governing these areas??? I've heard a lot of complaints about how the ARMM handles its finances... and its getting worst! 2. Basilan used to be a city. But years back, it was converted into a province so that it will give a chance to divide the leadership based on municipalities. So from Basilan city it was divided into seven municipalities. but after that what happened??? more rebel/terrorist groups were formed??? where was the purpose of giving the leadership to them? when what they do is just to build more groups. When did Basilan gained peace??? Then came ARMM. did it work??? And now BJE... do you think it will work??? 3. I think there's another political controversy behind these agreements. The BJE is just part of a bigger plan of really taking away Mindanao from being part of the country. 4. You are thinking of the tribes of Mindanao... and I really respect them only if they themselves will be able to resolve this problem. But when there are conflicts, it seems that the leaders even seem to be on the side of the terrorists/rebels. I can see where this agreement is going and what I can say is, good luck to our country. This Arroyo government is more corrupt than I thought. I have been supporting the presidents initiatives during her earlier term but now we see how her government works. The major leaders of Mindanao were not even advised about this agreement. Only very few knew. What does that mean? 1. If the goal of the BJE is to allow them to gain governance over this areas, what then is ARMM? Isn't that one of the solution??? Is ARMM doing better today??? Like if the areas of Sulu, Basilan etc are now under ARMM, aren't we suppose to have developments in terms of peace??? Aren't the ARMM supposed to be solving these problems since they are now the ones governing these areas??? I've heard a lot of complaints about how the ARMM handles its finances... and its getting worst!
Absolutely correct. For more discussion on this issue go to timawa.net/forum "As Manolo Quezon pointed out in his column this week, the agreement itself is the prize, which is to say that regardless of whether the MOA will work or not, the most important thing at this point is for the document to be signed and for Arroyo to proclaim to the world that she is a peacemaker."
>>> this is from Carlos Conde... He has a strong point here. little by little the main goal of the government will be revealed. so weak is this government! it looks strong but when you see the details and its foundation, you'll know how corrupt it is. suggestion ko lets see what happens with this BJE. If it doesn't work in 2 years then the hell with this autonomy. Honestly walang mangyayari dyan sa BJE or autonomy. Patronage politics din kasi ang sinusunod ng MILF, MNLF, etc. at di yan magbabago kahit sila ang magpatakbo ng buong mindanao. Even muslims will be shocked sa gagawin ng mga leaders nila sa BJE. And they will be no way different also sa mga traditional politicians. The scary part is they will always resort to shooting each other even sa mga petty issues of governance. Baka sa design lang ng kanilang road signs magbarilan na sila pag magkaiba mga ideas nila. Bangladesh or Somalia ang labas ng muslim autonomous region ang forecast ko. What a waste!!!!
napaka bobo naman ng utak mo. tinulad mo ang mga ibang tao. magpakamatay kana lang. buti pa sa iyo.
ALAM MO PARE MAS BOBO KA!!MAS MAY SENSE YUNG SINABI NYA KESA SAYO!!!KUNG IKAW NA LNG KAYA ANG MAGPAKAMATAY..MAY SENSE DIN YUN...BOBO!!!
or Fatah and Hamas in the Gaza Strip...
or Sunni and Shi'ite sa Iraq... at talo-talo na sila!! Why do MILF want their own law? is the law crafted by brilliant minds of our country not enough? human rights, equality, etc in constitution not enough for them? maybe we should hear what kind of laws they really want to implement maybe there is something in there that we dont know... but if all they want is cutting off hands, stoning to death kind of laws, ill better go to war with them than make peace. This is one country, one law. Im sick of tired of bangsomoro people, lumad people etc... just say We are Filipinos!
razor if only you are a bangsamoro people you will understand why we the bangsamoro people are asking this MOA agreement. If you can only strive the hardness that we were striving here at Mindanao you will also call for this thing or same thing that we ar4e asking. The judicial killings, massacre, dricrimination and ununiqeness or unequal law that we are suffering since from the time of our uncesstors...
anonymous is right. Extremist muslim in the mideast blames the west for their miseries, same as the muslims here in philippines, they accuse christians, malacanang of their hardships(daw) except themselves. A muslim journalist(or intellect,i'm not sure what is his profession) in the mideast wrote that muslim should stop blaming others for their miseries, he even said that look at the west, they build schools to educate and advance their life, while muslim clerics ask their faithfuls to back 1000 years. He actually pointed out what is the problem of muslim all over the world. Autonomy will not solve the problem in mindanao, but to accept the fact that everyone could coexist and live peacefully regardless of belief and race
Hey fahad ! What descrimination are talking about ? Arent you muslims the ones who have arme ? Arent you the ones who kill brutally ? Sino ba ang namumugot ng ulo ? Sino ba ang nangingidnap para magkaroon ng millions ? Sino ba ang di sumusunod sa batas ? Di ba kayo yon ? Anong autonomy ang gusto ninyo ? Meron na kayong ARMM ? May nangyari ba ? May muslim area ba na umunlad dahil tapat ang leaders ? Mag isip ka kapatid ! Hindi rin makikinabang ang karamihan sa inyo . Pustahan tayo !
Maraming problema ang Pilipinas. The problem with some Muslims (I say some but not all) is that they blame other people for their miseries and poverty. "Walang tubig, blame Israel. Walang kuryente, blame Israel. Walang pagkain, blame Israel. Walang peace, blame Israel." (or other non-Muslims) Why can't they blame themselves for their situation. Sabi nga ng isang writer (nakalimutan ko ang pangalan nya), "Islam is a Collective Psychosis." They always play the underdog, eh sa totoo lang. They look down upon us, Christians and Jews are descendants of APES and PIGS daw. Tawag natin sa jihadist/extremist - TERRORISTS, pero para sa kanila - MARTYRS. They say they don't kill "innocent people" pero yung palang innocent people sa kanila are the "Muslims" and non-Muslims are called infidels. "Peace" daw sabi ng isang imam sa States can only be achieved when all the people in the world are Muslims (Islamofascism). Hay buhay nga naman. Now Mindanao, next is the whole Philippines. Let's learn from history (Lebanon - then Christian nation, now Islamic nation).
Kaffir means Disbeliever
first of all...you are right...not all muslim just like christian does...look in metro manila 99% ay christian..doon makita sa balita araw-araw my namatay sa saksak, ginahasa, nanakawan, extortion,hold-up, kidnapping andami pa...sinong may kagagawan si Muslim ba...? ang ambush ng NPA d ba ang dami no...! mga mayors pa ang tinitira mga big fish... may iklaro lang ako sayo...about Jihad...jihad can be applied by muslim if...his/her family, wealth, land, religion being abused by the non-Muslim yon pwede na ang Jihad...God willing...all muslim should have that in mind...who are these MARTYRS...? they are the Mujahideen who strive in Allah's Cause...if they are get killed...they are Martyrs...that is one of the reason why they not afraid to face death kahit na konti lang sila... sa sinabi mong ang tingin ng Muslim sa Christian ay pig o Apes...Mali ka Bro Maling mali ka...marahil pag yan ang doctrine na nabasa mo sa bibliya nyo..Real Muslims never underestimate anyones religion... for we believe in the day of judgement as you do... sa sinabi mong peace gaya ng sabi ng Imam in united states...its start with inner peace...that the point... bro scorpio...
Reply sa mga question mark mo..... 1.unang-una malaki ang descriminasyon sa mga moros nation wide...to site some...in zamboanga city alone pag nag-aapply ka at nalaman nilang muslim ka di ka nilang tatanggapin..secondly...my narinig ka na bang Muslim General..wala pa di ba...anong ginawa nila pag ka abot sa colonel they are told to retire... 2. Muslim with arms? yes...but first and foremost you must know where this arms came from...i'll site some scenario back to 1992 the offensive attack by the AFP in basilan. there are camps over run by them..abu left their ammo, 50 cal. mortal shells and others. dont you know the serial numbers of those left rifles its with the southcom..the question is...paano nangyari yon...? 3. Beheading...? Muslims never behead anyone..unless if it is in the actual combat...a hand to hand combat with the use of Barung or Kris... with beheading news youve heard and saw in the television..its not the work of the Muslim...its the work of the underground movement of the those leaders who want to be notice...do you still remember the words of father nacorda..I believe you got i want i mean. 4. Kidnapping...? please be farsighted about issues...kidnapping never exist in the context of Muslim Creed...just like what i mention earlier this the work of those leaders who want to put dirts in mindanao. 5. ARMM...it is only in name...never come to the real context of pact deal way back to 1996 agreement with the MNLF... 6. Progress..? hahaha ARMM is still under the control of the GRP..projects and implementations should be approved by the higher authority before it reaches its destination... 7. Tapat na leaders...? Pano sila maging tapat if they are controlado... sa sinabi mong pustahan tayo...marahil tama ka...but we the context of the MOA kung saka-sakali mabigyang daan and with the principle being uphold ...marahil mali ka...
#6.1.2.2.1
jackal
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2008-08-19 01:43
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Bro,
Correction lang sa sinabi mo. Di totoong walang Muslim na Heneral. At mas lalong di totoong pinapag-retire ang isang Muslim Officer pag mag Colonel na at malapit nang mag star rank. Do you know that Gen Espaldon is a Muslim? Gen Askalani from Sulu? Gen Mohammad Dolorfino? Wala pa akong narinig na Muslim officer na pinag retire dahil sa religion. Baka naman talagang for attrition dahil incompetent at me kaso? Kung sa mga Muslim integrees na officers ang pag-usapan, mukhang malabong magkaroon ng Generals dyan. First of all, matatanda na sila. Second, karamihan di maganda ang educational background or wala talagang natapos. 3rd, di nila mapantayan ang competencies ng regular officers. Isa din akong balik-islam kaya ipinaglalaban ko rin ang kapakanan ng mga kapatid nating Muslim. Alhamdu-lillah! Fahad, look at the law we are trying to defend, its just not for christians and others, it is also for you muslims. We want a modern law where a thief's hand will not be cut-off so he can still work to feed himself when he got out of prison, we want a law that doesnt punish you muslims when you dont cover your hair, we want a law that muslims can be whatever they want to be, and many more. this is the constitution that we want spread across the archipelago. so dont give me that crap that you are being discriminated. after all these bombings and violence, GIVE THE WORLD A BREAK FOR NOT TRUSTING YOU!
Don't talk about hardships in Mindanao as the cause. Christians have suffered as much as Muslims and the cause is the graft and corruption here.
tama ka jan.....korapsyon ang dahilan anong nagawa ng batas nyo...wala kaya pagbigyan nyo naman na matoluy ang bje kasi gusto namin umasinso..poro korapsyon ang tinoro ng konstitosyon? na kayo lang sa luzon gumagawa pag ayaw nyo sa pesidente pinapalitan nyo with out asking the mindanao...tapos sabihin nyo one nation. so give us a chance...
hey dude...MOA is not the answer of your problem...we all suffer but we should work harader for ourselves and not to blame others what have happened to us. MOA is just a part of a big plan behind...let us be carefull with this move. This might cause a big problem in the future that we cannot afford to put it back.
Shariah needs to be applied but with flexibility to current situation. How can you apply Shariah law that dates back to the 12th century? If the hadith says you ride a camel, do you need to import it from Saudi Arabia and bring it to Magindanao?
Curent problem relates to injustice. It happens not only to Muslim people but to other poor people in the Philippines. MILF should focus their uprising towards Sabah which was unjustly taken from them, instead of Mindanao. However, these guys instead has asked Malaysian to act as mediator with Philippine Government while Magindanaos and Tausugs in Sabah are being harrassed by the Malaysian: their houses burn to grounds and being hunted by dogs, and their women were raped and murdered. If they able to retake back Sabah which belongs to them - Philippine government will be grateful and they will be welcomed as heroes. Flexibility, reformation, or modernity is prohibited in their laws and traditions (sabi nila God's words are absolute) at di nila tatalunin ang mga kaanib nila (Malaysia) dahil Islamic nation sila kaya hindi na nila na-claim ulit and Sabah. Siguro kung na-claim nila ang Sabah, they could all go there and practice their laws, traditions, etc. na gusto nilang i-practice. Sa palagay ko, some Muslims di rin nila gustong mapabilang sa alin mang Islamic state na tatatag nila kaya marami na ring Muslim communities ang nag-mimigrate sa ibang lugar sa Pilipinas. There is less freedom and more human rights violations sa mga Islamic states. Is this the kind of government Muslims want, esp. the women?? From religious, spiritual, political, social, economic, mental, emotional, I mean holistically, based sa religion?? Palagay ko hindi rin.... Yung gusto ng Sharia or Hadith, mag-migrate na lang sa Malaysia or Indonesia (legally), try n'yo lang kung magustuhan nila....
Giving the muslim minority a separate Autonomous goverment is not a bad thing at all. but that goverment should only covered muslim dominated areas and that the goverment structure should be within the frame work of the philippine constitution.
Based on the details of the BJE it's appear like a de facto independent state which violates the constitution. Iyong constitution mo ay ginawa after moroland ay integrated na sa manila government. bulag ka ba di mo nikita doon sa taas.
"The Bangsamoro people refer to “those who are natives or original inhabitants of Mindanao and its adjacent islands including Palawan and the Sulu archipelago at the time of conquest or colonization and their descendants whether mixed or full native blood.” “They are the ‘First Nation’ with defined territory and with a system of government having entered into treaties of amity and commerce with foreign nations,” Montesa said. Ito ang dahilan bakit may right ang mga moros. ngayon nakitira ka sa bahay ko tapos gumawa ka ng sarili mong batas. di mo inisip na hindi ikaw ang may ari ng bahay. dont be selfish. hindi ikaw lang ang tao. Please don't talk as if u own mindanao. I grew up in Zamboanga and so as my ancestors. Maganda ang Zamboanga, pero kinatatakutan na din puntahan ng mga taga ibang lugar dahil sa mga kidnappings and bombings. Sino gumagawa nito? Alam mo bro, self improvement lang yan. Marami akong friends na muslim pero nirerespeto ko sila kasi may respeto din sila sa sarili nila at sa ibang tao. But not for many muslims na walang ibang alam kundi trouble. Marami din ako kakilalang ganyan. Like i said i grew up in zamboanga, and i strongly disagree of the BJE. Not because im a christian, but because i know, kung may maganda man idudulot ang BJE, un ang maliit lamang na chance. PEACE.
Al fahad whatever hardness that you are experiencing in mindanao, you did it for yourselves, stop pointing to other people for your miseries. You mean we are not having judicial killings, massacre, discrimination ourselves? you kidding us? did we ever took up arms and demand that the law treat us special? point me where the law say that treat muslims unequal..
It is really sad that the Philippine government in its present state entered into negotiation with MILF very weak. This is very glaring in the MOA that it intends to sign. Even at the expense of losing a significant part of the territory of the Philippines, it is willing to give in in the name of peace. People in Manila must have forgotten the nature of the various Muslim tribes in Mindanao. Their ultimate goal is to claim the whole of Mindanao. I suspect that once the initial Bangsa Moro homeland is established with their own armed forces, it won't be long that the whole of Mindanao will be captured by their armies. And the present government of Arroyo will have to be blamed for breaking up my dear Philippines. The very dangerous part of the agreement is of course the granting of international recognition to the Bangsa Moro Juridical Entity and the provision where they can set up their own security forces. What would prevent them from stockpiling on arms whom we know are easily supplied by sympathetic Muslim countires like Malaysia and Libya. I am really disappointed with the Philippine politicians if you give in to the demand of the MILF. You are causing the Philippines to dis-entegrate. God save the Philippines!
you fahad!! stop kidding! you mean, other tribes / lumad did not experience discrimination from bangsamoro dominated areas!...what like happen from marawi, nd other moro dominated areas, we, lumads and other tribes experiences inferiority...some moro treated us like animal,kayo ang siga sa lugar nyo! la kaming justice pag nasa lugar nyo kami...
pero pag kayo pumunta sa lugar namin, hinaharass b namin kayo?... why is that the moro people arent satisfied with the ARMM, SPCPD, or whatever is it aggrement... coz they want to run thier lands by thier own, why dont we let them govern thier lands. the ARMM was and still manipulated by the govt, kaya nagkakaroon ng political dayaan sa atin dahil din sa GRP, they want those muslim leaders fight and clash, bakit kasi sinusuportahan pala din ng govt, and GRP wasnt really serious to have peace in mindanao. ewan ko ba sa inyo. nagsasalita kayo ng wala kaung sapat na kaalaman sa mga bagay na yan, tumahimik nalang kaya kayo. and one thing they (BJE) want to clear, the MOA if it is implemented doesnt mean, those moros will kill u christians, never it will happen, why? because they need not to, marami naman sa kanila ang mga professionals and educated islamically and west educations as well, thus, they can and fit to run thier own government. So, GRP pirmahan nyo na yan at ng magkaroon na ng kapayapaan sa mga moros...
best regards to all ... nsa dami ng pwede mong sabihin bakit marawi pa nasabi mo...ndi mo ba nakikita ang daming kristiano doon mula sa lahat ng solok ng pilipinas na doon nag aral at nag tapos doon narin nakatagpo ang kanyang mahal sa buhay doon na nanirahan at nagtrabaho pero ayaw umlis dahil panatag ang loob niya doon.....umabot na cguro ng milyon ang kristianong nagtapos sa marawi....libo ang doon na tumanda at binawian ng bohay.at daan daan ang kristianong nag tatrbaho don sa mga nakikita ko malinaw ang dahilan mali ang pananaw mo...wag kalang gumawa ng masama kahit san ka pa ..kahit mismo sa bahay mo pag maingay kat walang modo may mangyayari sayong ndi mo magogostohan.....
patoluy na dadayo ang mga mahihirap na kristiano para magaral doon kasi alam nila bukas ang marawi sa mga taong gustong magaral para umasinso ang buhay.... wag kayo maniwala sa mga naririnig nyo.....magbasa at magtanong kayo. * MINDANAO FOR SALE!!!
*PLEBI8SCITES IN THE FORM OF MANIPULATION! *WHERE IS NOW THE STRONG REPUBLIC AS THE GOVERNMENT ARE TRYING TO INSIST *THE PHILIPPINES IS NOW COMPOSE OF LUZON,VISAYAS,MINDANAO AND BJE BJE IS A MONIFIED WORD STANDS FOR EXTENDED ARMM Are you sure that there will be peace in Mindanao? How about Manila which also belong to the Rajah before? Why don't you include it also? Is this democracy?
Mukhang malaki ang kita sa agreement na ito. Hindi ba nakita ng gobyerno ng pinas na pwedeng lalong lumaki ang hidwaan at maging dahilan ng panibagong problema tulad ng Kosovo?
Siguro wala silang pakialam kung maging Luzon at Visayas na lang ang Pilipinas. Sayang naman. Sabi nga nila United we stand divided we fall. Gusto ba nila tayong mahati para madaling masakop? Makabayan ka ba? Patunayan mo! If you want to have an ancestral domain, stay on your own land. Why are you claiming lands that are not occupied by muslims in the first place. The most corrupt administration of the government and the sons of the guns unite!
Yan kasi si Gloria, may dugong muslim yan! alam nyo ba? di nyo pa alam siguro noh? Tingnan nyo mga ina-appoint ni gloria sa government natin. Panay mga muslim yan. Di naman lahat ng mga muslim ay bad, pero halos lahat sila. Ang hahambog! sabihan nyo yang mga political officials nyo dyan na for progress naman. puro kidnapping lang kayo at harrasment. Ibalik kaya natin yung nangyari during 1970's, yung baracuda at ilaga war! Masaya yun. Para maubos yang mga hambug na mga muslim. Bili muna ako additional na baril. By the way half muslim ako. Mama ko muslim, pero i don't practice their culture coz i don't like. I feel unsafe.Sa christian side ako. Very safe. Will never Balik-Islam. I have seen my cousins. and I don't like what they are doing. pag maulit yon...marahil maraming malalagas na kagaya niyo..alam mo ba ang nagyari in Basilan..isang bala lang 23 marines killed..RPG ang ginamit don...gusto mo bang maulit ang ganon..? eh pag gusto mo..di ka Pro Peace bro..Maka Peace ka naman..wag init ng ulo...peace bro...
gusto ng magkasundo ng magkakapatid upang wala ng "dugo ng kapatid" na aagos pa.walang hidwaan sa bawat isat-isang "paniniwalang relihiyon" dahil walang relihiyon ang gustong kumitil ng buhay ng isang kapatid. isang lupang may tahimik at walang sigalot bawat isa na handang "ibaon sa limot". hindi isang kasinungalingan kung hindi isang katotohanan matagal ng gustong ipatupad.
Luz,Vi,Minda..magkakapatid! based on the comments posted, it is clear that there is a christian bias against the moro and the culture and the power he represents. the discrimination of the moro indeed runs deep among filipinos who are ignorant of history and of the injustices and persecution that hundreds of years of christian dominance have wrought. btw, i am a christian and i believe that the effort of the MILF is a small step towards establishing the self-determination of the moro people.
what discrimination from christians are you talking about? it sounds like it came straight from the mouth of MILF propaganda, its an allusion designed to stimulate its members. if there is even a discrimination, its not because its a christian doctrine to do that but because of human economics, religion have nothing to do with it. why dont they learn economics so they can protect themselves? is it too much work to learn? or easier to do things with guns and bombs?
the people who are commenting here are not arrogant as you might wish to think, it just escape us why in the world you want to have your own state based on religion. lou, pinakita nyo lang dito by way of all your comments di lang pagka-arogante nyo pero pati pagka-ignorante nyo sa mga isyu tungkol sa ipinaglalabang self-determination ng mga moros. no wonder talagang di matapos-tapos problema sa mindanao.
There is a worldwide jihad taking place. It is a concerted effort. The issue in Mindanao is not an isolated case. There are also separatist in the Southern Thailand, ethnic cleansing in Southern Africa, Coptic Church of Alexandria in Egypt, Christian/Zoas/Buddhist/Hindi dhimmitude in Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, India, Algeria, and the list is endless. Ayusin muna nila ARMM bago sila magdagdag pa na sakop nila. This dhimmi Philippine government should not give in to this type of agreement. Di naman lahat sa Mindanao Moro. Ano ng nangyari sa ARMM, instead of using the money for progress, pinambili yata nila ng AK-47. Food not bombs!! Peace!! (yung totoo)
ignorance has nothing to do with it. we understand the issue and the situation in mindanao very well. its just unbelievable what more can some muslims ask? meron ng armm, ang senado at house of representatives open naman sa lahat. the christians dont have the guts to force their traditions on a muslim land. but the muslims should also adopt themselves to the bigger world around them. insisting ones stern ways on other peoples is immaturity. dagdagan pa ng pagka ignorante ng ating gobyerno sa totoong sitwasyon sa mindanao. patay!
#17.1.1.2.1
kaffir
on
2008-08-10 09:59
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Tama ka dyan rani.. they do not want to integrate or assimilate in the society. Problema din ng mga Western nations yan. The Wests allow them to migrate pero anong ginagawa nila, they do not want to integrate/assimilate/acculturate/enculturate, pili lang sila kahit sa isa d'yan ok na sila...
magnus, maybe you are not from mindanao. it's not about discrimination. maybe you need to stay in mindanao like sulu, basilan etc then talk. okay?
i wonder if you're from mindanao and have lived with the muslims. i am mindanaoan and we studied the history of muslim filipinos in university. believe me, we are not ignorant of the history of our island and of our own people. yes, they suffered injustices and persecution under the hands of so-called christians, but that was hundreds of years ago. if you are mindanaoan, you would see the arrogance of the "muslims" (i put the word in quotation marks because i believe a real muslim is not like they are). in my university, young "muslims" drive their expensive cars as if they are racing, with loud music blaring even though classes are going on. who can stop them? the university president who is their uncle? who first draws out his gun whenever a christian has upset him? who has the biggest mansions and at least 5 cars in their garage in small cities in mindanao? magnus, do not talk of the persecution the muslims suffered hundreds of years ago. we are in the 21st century, and believe me, they are not being persecuted in mindanao anymore. they do not just want what they already have, they just want more. christians in mindanao want to have peace. we don't cut off their arms and legs for every christian they kidnap. we don't behead any of them for shooting at innocent people. if you are from mindanao, magnus, you would know the burning rage we feel whenever our religion stops us from hurting the next "muslim" we see everytime we hear a christian has been hacked to death by these people. so unless you are from mindanao, and have lived in mindanao, you have no right to say we are ignorant of our own people.
mindanaoan, you're right here. i hate it when people outside from mindanao try to intervene as if they what's happening.
magnus, i know its your opinion but this topic has a deeper story that only people from mindanao will understand. if you read mindanaon's comment, that's exactly what's happened. akala mo inaapi sila doon (based on what they say)? live there and you'll know where the rebels are. Actually, hindi lang sa Mindanao nangyayari yan. Dito lang sa Luzon, particularly sa town namin. Siga-siga rin yung mga Muslim youths sa isang government-run high school. Yung pamangkin ng asawa ng kapatid ko di na nakapag-aral because he was threatened by a group of Muslim youths dahil sa panliligaw lang sa babae. Kung titingnan mo napaka-petty ng issue pero that boy hid from the public because of threats for his life. So, where is the "api" factor na sinasabi nila. Kung ganun mag-behave mga youths nila paano yung mga rebelde sa territory nila with mounds of armaments. Pero di lahat ng Muslims ay ganoon, I had a Muslim student when I taught in a Catholic University and he is one of my favorite students. It depends on their family and their religiousness (extremism). The problem is hindi sila tolerant and they do not accept/respect other people's beliefs and religions. Ok lang may Muslim sa town namin (may mosque pa nga) or anywhere else, we live harmoniously sana wag na lang nilang i-impose and religious belief nila sa amin and they will learn to accept that everybody is different but equal. Peace in our minds and hearts!!
tama ka infidel!!laking basilan ako at alam ko ang mga tunay na ugali ng muslim.matapang lamang ang yan pag pinakita mo natatakot ka pero pag lumalaban ka,nagtatago na yan sila.kaya wag kayo matakot sa mga mamatay-tao na yan kase duwag din yan pag may union ang mga kristiyano..kaya kahit ang israel maliit na lugar di nila kaya dahil may union sila..kaya sa basilan may grupo na mga kristiyano na gumaganti sa pagpataysa mga abusadong muslim.
PASENSYA NA KAYO KAY MAGNUS BOBO AT IGNORANTE KASI YAN AT BULAG DIN YAN SA KATOTOHANAN
I DONT NEED TO READ IT ANYMORE, ALL I CAN SAY IS THE PHILIPPINES IS ONE NATION & NO ONE CAN CHANGE OR ALTER THAT. EVEN IF IT MEANS WAR SO BE IT
ONE MORE THING OUR PRESIDENT DOESN'T CARE ABIT ABOUT THE PHILIPPINES COZ SHE & HER EHOLE FAMILY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS. WANNA BET SHE'LL BE RETIRING IN THE U.S. YEARS FROM NOW SAD TO SAY MOST OF OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT NATIONALISTICS MOST OF THEM ARE JUST FILLING UP THEIR POCKETS FOR THEMSELVES & MOST OF THEM ARE GREEN CARD OR AMERICAN CITIZENS. IT'S REALLY PATHETIC !
sana bago gumawa ng solusyon alamin sana kng ano ang ugat ng problema.i'm not against sa peace d2 sa mindanao pero lets be fair naman i'm sure konti lng talaga ang nkakaalam kng anu ang nilalaman ng MOA ng BJE na yan sana bago nla pirmahan yan alam na nating lahat kng anu talaga ang nilalaman nyan di ung mga nasa negotiating team lng ang nkakaalam.khit consultations lng sana sa lahat na affected na lugar gnawa nla.Most probabaly meron na namang Muslim and Christian conflicts na mangyayari dahil sa kakulangan ng kaalaman nating lahat sa MOA na ito.lets be transparent..PEACE!
I am a pure Maranao born in Lanao del Sur, and I disagree with the BJE, i know it will not benefits to all muslims in mindanao. Maraming mga kumander at pamilya ng kumander ang mang aabuso, ang resulta every bario my siga, paramihan ng anak pra maging siga s bawat lugar. MATAGAL N ANG ARMM PERO HANGANG NGYON LALO NAGHIHIRAP ANG KARAMIHAN S MGA MUSLIM DHIL ANG NAGPAPAYAMAN LNG AY ANG MGA BUWAYANG NAKAUPONG POLITICIAN. ENI EMPLUWINSYANAHAN NILA ANG MG UN EDUCATED MUSLIM TO ACHIEVED THiER OWN AMBITIONS..
my kwento ako.From Marawi going to COTABATO CIty. yung daan doon subrang nakakasama ng lood, every bahay ng Kumander my Checkpoint at bayad n 20pisos every, can you imagine ilan dumadaan n sasakyan don at ilang kumader andon? between 20 to 30 ang check points. minsan pa pinapahito ang car at nakikisaky sila but da worst thing is magpapahintay sila, maliligo nuna sila at pag hindi ka sumonod babarilin gulong mo. WALA SILA PINIPILI MUSLIM MAN O CHRISTIAN this is what we mean! the MILF doesn't represent the muslims. most of them have their own agendas here but what they are showing is that the muslims will benefit from it but the truth is they want power. kawawa dito pareho ang mga muslim at christians.
we are not against the muslims but we are against the idea. to those who didn't grow up in mindanao who continues to comment here, maybe it's better to just read the comments instead. you don't know the whole issue. you only see the tip of the iceberg. it's not about muslims versus christians. I agree with you Mohan.
THIS ARE THE THINGS THAT GRP DO NOT EVEN KNOW AND SEE. MILF do not respect GRP...so why to respect MILF? What more MILF will respect the real people of Moro Land? Am for peace to all religions but not in the terms of selling our country or being included in JPE.
The GRP only care for themselves and not for the whole LUZON VISAYAS AND MINDANAO people. Look what this present administration has done? Created more havoc and chaos just for their own interest... They already know that some parts of Mindanao are against being included in the Bangsamoro? And what did the GRP do? They held a secret meeting and without even consulting the affected leaders or cities about it? and later knowing our backyard is already for sale. I live in mindanao and am not in favor of being in one of those JPE. What does our government do instead of protecting us from lawless elements they are making secret deals and selling some of our lands to lawless elements just to make themselves rich and to have a so called peace? Is the GRP already gone chicken!!! What do you do when someone commits lawless elements on your backyard? you call the police and hunt them down and arrest them... That's what the GRP should do and not running away and help them create more chaos. I cannot understand why the arroyo goverment agreed on the structure / scope of this BJE. it looks like a de facto independent state to me.
Well it wil be okay if this modified ARMM covers only MUSLIM dominated areas. but how about the lumads and christians minorities in these areas?? are they assured of a representation in the BJE goverment?? I DONT THINK SO. Clearly Arroyo made a "big boo boo" on this peace talks and resulted to too many concessions from the govt. side which will be hard to be deliver. Dear Fr. Jun,
Actually, I am confused about this issue. I do not know whose side I am going to lean upon. That is why, I would like to ask just one question Fr. 1. What are the political, economic and social implications about this matter. Hoping for words of enlightenment. Thank you very much. BERBS the MILF doesn't represent the muslims. most of them have their own agendas here but what they are showing is that the muslims will benefit from it but the truth is they want power. kawawa dito pareho ang mga muslim at christians.
we are not against the muslims but we are against the idea of dealing with rebels. you don't know the whole issue. you only see the tip of the iceberg. it's not about muslims versus christians. philippines is one nation1!!!!!!!!!!!
taga mindanao ako.. pinangakanak at lumaki ng ZAMBOANGA CITY... payapa ang pagsasama ng muslim at krsityano!!! mga pesteng rebelde lang naman ang nagpapagulo sa syudad namin... NO TO B.J......... E wala na sana tawagan ng maruming pangalan.
wala na sana gulong pangrelihiyon wala na sana bario - bario, kanya - kanya wala na sana karahasan laban sa karahasan. wala na sanang magbuwis ng buhay ng kapatid! sana ang hangarin natin: kapayapaan at pagkakaisa para sa mga bata. Now this comment from Mr. Abello i agree 100%..!! I have not yet read the MOA, but this is where i shall begin...keeping in mind Mr. Abello's comment while reading and try to understand the language of the agreement. (i hope i can find a copy of the MOA in the internet.)
Magmura man kau ng magmura d2,ala n kau maggwa.Lets gve them a chance. Bubuhos ang suporta ng muslim countries sa ARMM, at pagnagkataon mkikinabang dn ang sambayanang pilipino. PEACE!!
I don't think so. Muslim countries do not give charities/help/support to other Christian nations. They don't even help their Muslim brothers in Darfur (refugee camps). Based on the UN report on the most charitable countries in 2007, despite the billion dollars oil revenues earned in the Middle East, there was not even a single Muslim nation on the top 20. United States is the most charitable country based on UN World Food Program. UAE lang ang nagbigay, 150,000 dollars yata, I think, basta mas marami pang binibigay and Bangladesh sa kanila, 1,000,000 plus dollars na mahirap din katulad natin. Pwedi pa moral support/arms support pero di economic/financial support.
Man, are you serious? Do you even read the papers or watch the news? Do you honestly think if the MILF are given what they want, the Muslim countries will support them and we will all BENEFIT from it? Which Muslim countries? What kind of support? How will we (you, included) benefit from it? Pray, tell me.
Bakit kailangang makipagkasundo ang gov't sa MILF??? Pagkakilala ko sa MILF ay mga bandido at tulisan...mga nagkukunwaring bayani ng bangsamoro pero sa katotohanan ay nagpapahirap sa mga taga-Mindanao.
you have a strong point keng. the government shows as if tama talaga desisyon nila without looking at the past solutions which didn't work. yon ngang dating solution galing na sa mga muslims ngayon galing pa sa mga rebelde.
ano to? meron na palang ganun ngayon. before the muslim preachers came may nakatira na sa mindanao, ang mga LUMAD. When the muslim population increased they took away the lands of the lumads lalo na yung ayaw mag-muslim. Pa'no na yan, can the lumads fight the bangsa moros also and call for autonomy from them? My premise is that the lumads were the original people of mindanao and not the bangsa moro or moros.
Yeah you're right, Moros came from the balanggay (baranggay) from the 12 Datus from our neighboring countries. The first Filipino settlers are pagans.
Infidel if I'm right, the 12 datus were not muslims. They had a religion to some extent, yung worship yata ng anito? We can check.
.....SIGAW NG TAGA ZAMBOANGA...........
madam gloria ano ka ba naman...pati ba naman bansa namin poproblemahin pa ba namin..,marami na nga kaming problema sa trabaho, pamilya, pagkain at mga babae....wag mo nang dagdagan problema namin...please!!.........mas ok na tawagin kame na latin wag lang moro..ehhhhh...ehehheheheehehehehehhe...pwede madam? Madam Gloria
"Luzviminda" You made me feel everything I sense it's simple to understand Softly as you caress my thoughts I felt the world breathing in my head Oh, Luzviminda we are one We are one through night and day It's so wonderful to live with you You taught me how to walk in the night You cradle me wherever I go You brought me up to stand the test of time Oh, Luzviminda we are one We are one through night and day I played in the warmth of your bosom I understand your unpretentious love Thank you for the joy you gave me My heart forever beats to your songs My, Luzviminda we are one we are one, we are one Rainy and sunny days. we are filipino..... not a bangsamoro.... by: randolf Dear Gloria,
hindi ko na kc mapigilan ang sarili ko sa mga oras na eto..nabaltaan ko kc sa mga kapitbahay natin ang mga pinagagagawa mo... ano ka ba naman gloria?!!!!!wala ka na bang ibang gustong gawin sa buhay mo...hindi mo na kami inaalala ahhhhh...tingnan mo ung panganay mo na si luzon hindi na makakain sa tamang oras dahil sa napakamahal na ng bigas,ung pangalawa mong anak na si visayas..ayon muntik ng tangayin ng bagyo kc wala ka namang ibang ginawa kndi mamasyal, at eto pa ang malala di ka man lang naawa sa bunso mong anak na si mindanao...gusto mo pang ipamigay don kay bangs-amoro na kapitbahay natin..hindi mo ba alam na a family prays together stays together???????ha. eto mga damit ko....maglaba ka nalang....para may pang meryenda ka mamaya. signed malaysia.... mike from haro australia exactly! she said she'll promote transparency, that alone questions her moves on the BJE.
Ms. ARROYO, dumadami ang kaaway mo! take note of that. If you want to be respected, you need to earn it in the RIGHT WAY. not in matters done secretly. si Esperon kasi napakabobong sundalo niyan. bakit yan pa ang naging member ng GRP buwiset. hindi yata marunong bumasa yan lalo na yung nilalaman sa BJE pati palawan eh sinali bilang ancestral domain. bat di pa nila lubusin pati visayas ibigay na nila sa mga teroristang MILF na yan. sa totoo lang kaya hindi maubos ang mga abusayaf dahil kakampi yan ng mga MILF.
NAPAKATANGA mo HERMOGENES ESPERON. buti pa si dating presidente Erap Estrada nanindigan siya na iisa lang ang gobyerno sa pilipinas. hindi puwedeng mangyari ang gusto ng MILF. tama si vice-gov Pinol kung kailangan mag-armas sila gagawin nila wag lang masakop ng MILF ang bayan nila. Ask this question to who this (MILF) Bangsa moros are.
Are bangsa moros, filipinos? I'm very certain they would say no. To our fellow filipino muslim brothers, without the MILF, we could live and co-exist peacefully. With BJI, peace is not a guarantee. Unless we accept that we are all filipinos there will always be division and conflict. Just like being one people. Unless we all believe we are one people, not just christian, muslim, Bhuddist or hindi, we won't have peace and unity. TAMA KA WE THE BANGSA MORO PEOPLE,AY HINDE PAPAYAG NA MATAWAG NA FILIPINO KASI NDI NAMAN KAMI NASAKOP NG MGA KASTILA!PAANO KAYO PROUD NA TAWAGIN NA ISANG FILIPINO SAMANTALANG DAPAT IKAHIYA NYO ITO KASI ANG PILIPINAS AY IPINANGALAN SA BANSA NYO BILANG PAGGALANG KAY KING FHILLIP NA NOON AY SOMAKOP SA INYO...KONG IINTINDIHIN MO NG MALALIM TANDA NG PAGIGING ALIPIN NYO LUMAYA MAN KAYO DALA PARIN NYO ANG TANDA NG PAGIGING ALIPIN NYO ANG PAGIGING FILIPINO AY TANDA NG ALIPIN!!!!DAPAT PALITAN NYO YAN NG MORO PERO NDI PWEDE KASI ANG MORO SILA YONG LUMABAN AT NAGBUWIS NG MARAMING BUHAY PARA WAG MASAKOP NG MGA MAPANG APING KASTILA AT SINO SILA MGA KRISTIANO? NA SUMAKOP AT UMALIPIN SA INYO NG MAHIGIT 300 TAON.SINO ANG MAS MARAMING NAGAWANG MABUTI?ANONG DAHILAN PARA PUMAYAG ANG MGA MORO NA TAWAGING FILIPINI(AlIPIN)????MAG ISP KA!!!!!
Hindi mo alam kung ano talaga ang Muslim.Hindi lahi o tribu ( race) ng tao.Hindi dapat ipangtakot kahit sa ibang mga tao.lalonmg hindi dapat ipangyabang.Iyan ang hindi naunawaan ng marami. Ang Muslim ay mga tao na kaanib sa Islam at sinusunod ang aral nito. Hindi daapt gamitin ang salitang Muslim para sa isipang pampolitika , kultura , trasdisyon at iba pa. Hindi lahat ng Moro ay Muslim at hindilahat ng Muslim ay Moro . Ginagamit MILF ang Islam para magkaroon ng takot ang ibang relihiyon . Wala tayo sa Saudi o sa Pakistan .Totoo ka ngang Moro dahil sa uri ng iyong pananalita. Ang sinasabi mong mga nasa maynila na mga nagnenegosyo ay hindsi Muslim lahat iyon. Sila ay mga Maranao na mga masisipag sa negosyo .Walang Tausog na nagnenegosyo dahil ang alam nila ay giyera ( Eg. N. Misuari).Hindi lahat ng mga Maguindanaoan ay Muslim . Sa iyong pananalita ay nilalahat mo basta nakatira sa Cotabato , Lanao o maging sa Sulo ay Muslim na . Paano kaming mga lumad ? Sinabi mo marami ang ang mga Christiasn na mga nakatira sa ilalim ng tulay , squaters at iba pa? Hindi mo ba alam na ang karamihan sa kanila ay mga taga Mindanao din na mga pinalayas ng mga Moro mula sa kanilang lupa ? Sana ay maliwanagan ang iyong isipan .
LuzViMinda "magkapatid" sa "dugo at laman". isang "bahay" ang tinitirhan na gustong guluhin at hatiin ng dayuhang "kapitbahay" noon pa man.Si Minda na "nalilito" dahil sa dagundong ng "kaguluhang dulot ng relihiyon" ngunit pilit "binubuo" ng kanyang mga kapatid na si Luz at Vi ang kanyang pagkatao tungo sa kapayapaan pag galang nilang tatlo at ng kanilang sambahayan...
Naks naman ang ganda ng talumpati ni Ramon ha. O Mon anong balita long time no hear kumusta ka na sige mon pagpatuloy mo yang kabaliwan mo may patutunguhan yan.
Mga kababayan wag tayo papayag sa JPE... Nagtitiwala pa ba kayo lahat sa GRP after all na kapalpakan at kabahuan nagawa niya? wag na kayo magpaloko pa at maging tanga. Hay!!! I don't see the reason why peace cannot be achieve through other ways except giving out some parts of the philppines to rebels. Unless siguro gusto din GLORIA gamitin ang influence niya sa Bangsamoro para makapresidente ulit sa 2010.
I definitely object to this BJE! I have many relatives in North Cotabato and they're all Christians. What will happen to them 5yrs from now? Knowing some twisted mind Muslims, I repeat, "some", they could now easily shove to everybody's throat their own rules like what the Taliban did in Afghanistan.
well, you know you can't blame the GRP-Arroyo administration why they negotiate the MILF nasubukan n during "the all-out war policy ni Pres. erap against MILF". Alam ni Sir Hermogenes Esperon yan kc during that tym isa siya n AFP in command s All-Out war BLACKRAIN OPERATION s Camp Abubakar, eh ang MILF nk tayu p rin kya hindi makuha ito sa baril lalung gugulo mas lalung babagsak ang Pinas.
Magpakamatay ka na lang Gloria! Wala kang kwenta!
Anyhoodies, anong ancestral-ancestral are they talking about? It wasnt only Mindanao that was inhabited by Muslims before the Spanish colonization but also Visayas and Luzon. So stop those silly ideas that it's only Mindanao. Im afraid this BJE will result to an Islamic state. I want people in Mindanao to be able to exercise their own religion without being afraid of their heads being cut off. "Who are the Bangsamoro?
The Bangsamoro people refer to “those who are natives or original inhabitants of Mindanao and its adjacent islands including Palawan and the Sulu archipelago at the time of conquest or colonization and their descendants whether mixed or full native blood.” Spouses and descendants, including the Lumads, he said, are also classified as Bangsamoro “unless they choose otherwise.” The Bangsamoro people classification includes the Lumads? Are you sure? Did you ever ask a lumad if he/she considers himself a Moro? And what is this "unless they choose otherwise"? Can you choose your inherent nationality? If I were Higa-onon, can I say, I choose not to be Higa-onon but Tausug? If this BJE crap is indeed for all the natives and/or original inhabitants of Mindanao, then for crying out loud, drop the Moro in the name. Call it BangsaMoLu or BangsaMoMad, whatever. But for Pete's sake, don't claim as yours what was never truly yours. The Lumads were there before you came. in my 19 years in zamboanga city..muslims and christians have never fought and has been living in peace under the government.... ang nanggugulo lang po ay ang mga rebelde.....so bakit kailangang pirmahan ang MOA kung wala namang sapat na dahilan para ito ay patibayin...kung maaprubahan ito....instead na magpatuloy ang magandang pamumuhay ng mg muslim at christians dito sa zamboanga...., magkakaroon ng himagsikan...sanay na kame sa ganito...mapayapa...bakit ngayon guguluhin na naman...dahil ba sa mababa ang boto ni GMA dito kaya nya ito ginagawa?...bakit? magkano ba ang share ng mga negotiators kung sakaling makuha ng MILF ang gusto nila?...magkano ba ang halaga ng mga tao dito sa zamboanga?.... ganon na lang ba kame kadaling ibenta ng gobyerno?...... kung sila kaya ang naninirahan dito.., ano kaya ang mararamdaman nila?.....
this is very true. lagi kasing ginagamit ng mga rebelde ang pangalang "muslim" as if they represent the whole muslim group when in fact they are not.
MILF DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MUSLIM GROUP. kaya kawawa talaga pareho ang muslim at kristyano dito kasi pagaawayan lang nila ang dalawang grupo habang sila ang nakaupo sa pwesto. with gma's penchant of selling everything for commissions, perhaps she herself has received a commission for selling a part of philippine territory.perhaps the armed forces of the philippines needs to intervene already since they are supposed to protect philippine sovereignty.hope the bje will adopt gloria macapagal arroyo as their commander in chief so that the philippine state can "export" its inutile president to morolandia.sa kanila lang si arroyo.win win.
Perhaps she should just sell Luzon to America then Visayas to China or Japan or whichever has the highest bid.
Gloria is stupid. Period. hahahahahahaahahahaha!!!!
ano na b tong pinas! napakaraming problema.... pahirap na ng pahirap ang sambayanan! ano ka ba inang gloria, pinababayaan m sng sambayanana m..napakairesponsable mong ina... kasi gumagawa si gloria ng mga desisyon na sya lang ang nakakaalam.
nasan na nga ba ang sinasabi nyang TRANSPARENCY??? baka iba ang ibig nyang sabihin ng transparency. baka ibang diksyonaryo ito. diksyonaryo ng korupsyon. ...hold your horses...the result's not yet in...before we speak evil of our muslim brothers/sisters..wait for the result first...naka TRO pa nga e...
...loouisss enriquezzzz... sergio, sorry for this but again this is not about muslim versus christians. it may seem like that because some of the muslims and christians are exchanging words but it's between rebels versus the muslim and christians.
the rebels are doing something for their own agendas bringing the name "muslims" para ibalik ulit ang gera noon. here's an example (maybe a better interpretaion of how it works): muslims selling pirated dvds (this doesnt mean that christians dont sell pirated dvds), when the police officers arrest them, they will say "inaapi kami dahil muslim kami". what???? they were arrested because of selling illegal items and not because they are muslims. but they will always attach the memory na inaapi pa rin sila. get the point??? and that's what the MILF is trying to use to convince fellow muslims na inaapi pa rin sila. Correct ka dyan ano!! Kapag ba may kinidnap at pinagutan ng ulo ang mga rebelde, do non-Muslims say, inaapi kami dahil Christians/Hindi/Bhuddist kami?? Kapag may nagawa ang iba sa kanila, they brand them as Islamophobes, bigots, and haters.
Mahirap din kami, actually mas mahirap kami ditong nasa Luzon, kahit gusto naming magtanim or mangisda kapag wala kaming makain/pera, di namin magawa. Ang progress and peace di nakikita sa mga matatas ng buildings!! Peace is in the minds and hearts. Stop the hate to infidels (non-Muslims) and leaders/Islam should stop inculcating hatred/fear, sigurado may PEACE!! (yung totoo) ...you are absolutely right.....but most people equate it that way..uconsciously..subsconsciously...semiconsciously... if we say MILF it suddenly becomes a muslim issue which is not... and some do try to make it a muslim issue... ....if you read the other comments kulang na lang pumatay ng tao... BIGOTS...
...yes...the MILF and the government...thats how we should view it..not muslims and christians... i agree with mindanaoan.
The Lumads were considered idol-worshippers and unbelievers by the Moros. In fact, they were considered second-class citizens by Moro datus and sultans who should either be killed or forcibly converted. The Lumads can never be considered part of Bangsamoro. Never. Please know the issue first before your temper bursts out without the right info on as to what really is happening...
lolz tabi tabi poh....
iwan ko kung san mo nakita na mayron kming pinilit na isang tao para lang mag convert sa muslim...ang alam ko kayong mga kristiano ang namimilit sa tao para maging kristiano tulad nalang nina magellan diba dahas ang ginamit niya sa inyo sinakop niya at inalipin niya kayo sa ngalan ng relihiyong kristiano!sa totoo lang kayong mga kristiano ay magnanakaw kasi marami sa inyo pag magaplay ng trabaho dito sa saudi kunwari nag convert sa muslim para lang matanggap sa trabaho pero sa totoo lang ndi naman kasi ginamit lang ang pangalang muslim....sino ang magnanakaw at mapagsamantala ngayon!!!!! Mahirap yan siEsperon kasama yan sa dayan sa nakaraan na presidential election. pagnagkabotohan baka maiba nag resulta. Ginawa ang ARMM wala naman nangyari kasi lahat kurakot pa rin. Ano yan BJE lahat ng tao under sa shariah.
Kung ganon maganda pa simulan na lang ulit ang ILAGA ng mga christian kasi kung ayaw kaming proteksiyon ng government handa na rin kami mag sakrispisyo. Tapos ang mga magpapatupad na batas MILF. NO WAY Konting review lang sa Philippine History... hehehehe
Human fossil records indicate that the Philippines may have been inhabited for thousands of years. According to earlier archaeological findings, the first man in the Philippines came from the islands around Asia which Professor H. Otley Beyer, eminent American authority on Philippine archeology and anthropology, dubbed the "Dawn Man".[8] Yet the oldest human fossil found in the Philippines thus far is the 22,000-year-old skull cap of a "Stone-Age Filipino" discovered by Dr. Robert B. Fox, an American anthropologist of the National Museum, inside Lucy Cave, Palawan, on May 28, 1962 and dubbed the "Tabon Man".[9] The Tabon caves of Palawan indicate settlement for at least 30,500 years; these hunter-gatherers used stone flake tools.[10] After these early settlers, the Negrito arrived, whose ancestors include the Ati and the Aeta.[8] The Austronesian-speaking peoples originated from Proto-Austronesian peoples in South China, coastal Southeast Asia, and island Southeast Asia. The two best known hypotheses are that the Austronesian languages developed either in Taiwan about 7,000 years ago or in island Southeast Asia. The Malayo-Polynesian-speaking peoples, an Austronesian branch, settled in the Philippines about 3,000 BC, and spread eastward to the Pacific Islands, and westward to Madagascar.[11] The Philippines had trade relations with China and Japan and strong cultural ties with India through neighboring present-day Malaysia and Indonesia as early as the 9th to the 12th century.[4] The social and political organization of the population, in the widely scattered islands, evolved into a generally common pattern. Only the permanent-field rice farmers of northern Luzon had any concept of territoriality.[1] The basic unit of settlement was the barangay, originally a kinship group headed by a datu (chief). Within the barangay, the broad social divisions consisted of the maharlika (nobles), including the datu; timawa (freemen); and a group described before the Spanish period as dependents. Dependents included several categories with differing status: landless agricultural workers; those who had lost freeman status because of indebtedness or punishment for crime; and alipin (slaves), most of whom appear to have been war captives.[1] Islam was brought to the Philippines by traders and proselytizers from Malaysia and Indonesia. Islamization of the Philippines is due to the strength of Muslim India.[12] By the 13th century, Islam was established in the Sulu Archipelago and spread from there to Mindanao; it had reached the Manila area by 1565.[1] Although Islam spread to Luzon, Animism, syncretized with Hinduism and Vajrayana Buddhism, was still the religion of the majority of the Philippine islands. Muslim immigrants introduced a political concept of territorial states ruled by rajas or sultans who exercised suzerainty over the datu. Neither the political state concept of the Muslim rulers nor the limited territorial concept of the sedentary rice farmers of Luzon, however, spread beyond the areas where they originated.[1] When the Spanish arrived in the 16th century, the majority of the estimated 500,000 people in the islands lived in barangay settlements.[1] Ano na naman ba tong pinasukan ni Gloria? napakatanga naman talaga kaya ayoko ng babaeng presidente.
Alam ng mga amerikano ang problem sa babaeng presidente kaya hindi nanalo si Clinton. O ano na AFP? patalsikin nyo na si gloria! inis na inis na ang taong bayan... eto na yata ang pinaka tangang agreement na pinasukan ng gobyerno. Ituloy ang laban sa MILF, tuloy ang laban hanggang magsawa sila, wag kayo mag-alala sa pondo dahil po-pondohan kayo ng buong taong bayan. Unanimous ang buong pilipinas dito kahit taasan nyo ang aming buwis para lang wasakin ang mga peste ng bansa. Ang TRO, ang na-restrain dito ang government. Hindi naman pupuwede i-restrain ang MILF ng Supreme Court. Revolutionary organization ang MILF (A TRO restrains only the Philippine government. The Supreme Court cannot restrain the MILF, which is a revolutionary organization)," he said.( Eid Kabalu)...isep-isep daw gobyerno anong ibig sabihin nito (lawless in short term) Why is this government talking with them, they are not even recognized....sic n tired, for as long as I know we already live in peace here in Cotabato n ARMM wid dis present governance....
Bat kasi malaysia ang broker, eh di ba mga pasistang muslim din yan? so kanino bias mga hayop na yan? bat hindi india o china ang nag broker? di ba india din ang pakistan noon? kamusta na sila ngayon masaya ba sila? kung saan meron muslim ang population, meron gyera!
kasi alam mo ba ang deal ng MILF at malaysian government. they agree with the MILF to broker the peace talk in order for the MILF not to claim the sabah again as misuari did. quoting one of the malaysian officials get agree when someone in the philippine government want to open the claim of sabah. the malaysian government keep pressuring the philippine government to sign an agreement with the milf. try to read this link: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/june/02/yehey/top_stories/20080602top4.html
-MUSLIMS ARE NOT REPRESENTED BY THE MILF ALONE...
- IF U BELONG TO THE MILF DOMINATED AREAS LIKE,SHARIFF KABUNSUAN, MAGUINDANAO, LANAO, SULTAN KUDARAT, ESPECIALLY TO THE REMOTE AREAS, ONE MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY SHOULD BE AN INFANTRY OF THE MILF, OR IF NOT, YOU SHOULD GIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO THEIR GROUP... - SAAN BA ANG JUSTICE SA PINAGGAGAWA NILA..... - DATUS SYSTEM ARE BEING PRACTICE IN THEIR COMMUNITY, THE MORE INFLUENCES U HAVE, THE MORE SIGA YOU ARE.... -MUSLIMS ARE NOT REPRESENTED BY THE MILF ALONE...
- IF U BELONG TO THE MILF DOMINATED AREAS LIKE,SHARIFF KABUNSUAN, MAGUINDANAO, LANAO, SULTAN KUDARAT, ESPECIALLY TO THE REMOTE AREAS, ONE MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY SHOULD BE AN INFANTRY OF THE MILF, OR IF NOT, YOU SHOULD GIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO THEIR GROUP... - SAAN BA ANG JUSTICE SA PINAGGAGAWA NILA..... - DATUS SYSTEM ARE BEING PRACTICE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE MORE INFLUENCES U HAVE, THE MORE SIGA YOU ARE.... - NOW, WHAT HAPPEN TO THE SCOPAD,.. BUSOG ANG BULSA NG MGA NAGPAPALAKAD SA PROYEKTO,,EVEN I MYSELF GAINED MUCH MONEY FROM THAT PROJECT... KAW EID KABALO, ANG GALING MONG PROPAGANDISTA....ANG GALING GALING...
ANO NAMAN ANG PINAGGAGAWA NYO SA NORTH COTABATO... ANG WAWARSHOCK NYO..KAWAWA LANG ANG MGA INFANTRY NYO, SAMANTALA KAYO, NAGKUKUMAHOG NAMAAPRUBAHAN ANG KAPRITSUHAN NYO... MATAKOT NAMA KSYO SA PINAGGAGAWA NYO! --the muslims are just expressing their grievances to the government in their right as to governance..pero bt kailangan pa na mg gwa ng BJE??..gusto din nila na magkaroon ng sovereignty ang BJE,ibig sabihin pg pumunta kami ng cotabato kailangan pa namin ng visa para lng mka pasok??
another thing that bothers me is that,kung sa bawat lugar dito sa mindanao na may muslim community kailangan msali sa ancestral domain ng mga muslims..tha heck with that,ang dami kya muslim community sa mindanao..kahit san ka pumunta my muslim community!!~~....di dapat ganun,dahil kung ganyan lng naman ang pag-uusapan dapat pala mgsagawa na din ng isang Estado ang mga "LUMAD"??!! --the muslims are claiming na sa kanila ang mindanao..the heck again..kaming mga "LUMAD" ang my ari ng mindanao!!.. --the ancestors of the muslims embraced islam when abubkr came to mindanao shore..that's by ORAL TRADITION of our tribe elders..the original inhabitants of cotabato are lumad's..they just embraced islam because they were forced to..-- --the gov't must study the MOA carefully..everybody wants peace in mindanao,sino ba ang hindi,Dba?? i was born and raised in mindanao, somehow i understand the struggle of moro people but that was a long time ago, we are now in the 21st century. the real agenda of the MILf not the moro people is they want to control the whole mindanao and palawan, what they called MINSUPALA (Mindanao, Sulu, Palawan) and later claiming the Sabah, as we all know malaysia rented the sabah for 5,000 malaysian money to the sultanate of sulu. coz they know that mindanao is rich in oil the bigest in the world compare to saudi iran iraq an kwait. remember nur misuari is claiming the sabah durin his time in mnlf, but the government is not helping him. ferdinan marcos knows this issue coz he once supported to claim the sabah. if the MILF control the Minsupala and Sabah, they will be the richest ppl. and that they wanted. they created this problem in order to divert the attention of the people. fighting each other, then with this Peace Talk they held hostage the government for them to sign the Ancestral Domain, so that there will be peace if it sign. factor of being a state is already in the ancestral domain, wether the government want to sign it or not they already have own teritory, government, forces and international recognition, it will same as the kosovo.. so no to BJE no to Ancestral domain.. for references what im talking about search about sweet deal with the sabah, minsupala, milf iedology... hope for peace... what the govenmenet is doin is not creating peace but craeting havoc among the people of mindanao.. please AFP our sovereignty oust gloria and esperon he is just a military man not a political person..
Hahahahahaha! Mga hung-hang, pumila na lang kaya kayo sa bigasan ng NFA! Bakit ba naman kayo pumila dito eh wala naman kayong kaalam-alam sa mga pinagsasabi nyo! Mga Mindanawan man kaha kayo!? Puro Wow0wee at EatBulaga o KoreaNobela kasi pinagkakaabalahan nyo...meron pa, Pinoy Dream academy! Mga mare at pare, ang i-blame nyo ay mga agencies tulad ng OPPAP at ang mga sangkatutak na peace initiatives ng kabi-kabilaang networks at advocates for peace-ku-day!, mapa-government man o civil society kuno na kumulimbat din ng milyon-milyong funding mula sa Peace and Development programs at mga Official Development Assistance sa Mindanao(I say, blood money yun ng mga namatay sa giyera sa Mindanao, karamihan sibilyan!) nung pagkasign ng Final Peace Agreement 1996 between GRP-MNLF. Para sa interfaith dialogue at COP seminars and training daw. Eh wa epek naman palang mga peace dialogue at IEC campaigns nila for the past 10 years. Papaano kasi hindi mga katulad nyo ang pinag-iimbitahan sa mga hotel seminars at forums nila, sila-sila lang din ang nagto-tour ng Cebu,Davao, Cagayandeoro, GenSan, Zamboanga, Manila,etcetera at umaattend sa isang araw na dialogue at tatlong araw na R&R at nakikipag debatehan sa isa't isa. Kaya hayan, naisahan tayo nang patagong nakikipag negotiate naman ang GRP sa MILF. Heto, at mga ignuramuses pa rin tayong lahat sa mga isyu sa Mindanao at sa self-determination claims ng mga Moro people at iba pang mamamayang may karapatan at may basihan sa pag-claim...'Day! 'Dong! P25 per kilo pa rin ang NFA rice at medyo may lasa-lasa na kesa sa unang sobrang tabang, at medyo nbawasan na ng konti ang kuto...
ED KABALU KUNG MAAPROBAN BA ANG HINIHINGI NYO ANCESTRAL DOMAIN SA GOBYERNO NG PILIPINAS, KAMING MGA TAGA VISAYA AT LUZON BA KAILANGAN NA NAMIN KUMUHA NG IQAMA PARA MAKAPASOK SA TERITORYO NYO. NAGTATANONG LANG PO
if and when this agreement will be signed, mindanao will go down the road similar to what happened to the former yugoslavia (bosnia, serbia, croatia, etc). total war.
Father mercado para kang kung sino na basta-basta na lang ibibigay ang ibang parte ng Mindanao sa MILF. Mahiya ka naman! Peace advocate does not necessarily mean you have to cave in to the caprice and whims of the loudmouthed ones. if a greater conflcit happen between the Christians and muslims. magkamatayan tayo? Akala mo kung sino!
Diba dapat Ancestral Domain ng mga Lumad yan... ndi ng mga iba jan.
tingnan nyo ang bukirin nila...ang lalawak..damo,talahib lng ang nkatanim..but in fearness to toto paglas,bawal ang tamad sa kanila...ganyan sanang ugali ang gayahin nyo...d lng antayin nyong malapit na mag ani ang bukirinb ng ibang tao, saka nyo aagawin,..gusto nyo b ganyan ang mangyari sa mindanao?...malamang, yan ang patutunguhan ng BJE....
-d2 sa gensan,some muslims are claiming that fishport at tamlber are own by their ancestors and claiming that until now, government dont yet for their land, ano ginagawa nila,bawat passenger vehicle ( habal-habal, jeep nd others ) hinihingihan nila 1 peso bawat tao...ganyan b ang kultura na gusto natin mangyari!....mabuhay kayo ng patas!...nakakahiya kayo! iyan nga po ang ibig ng gobyerno at gawin silang tamad at yung mga kristian na magsasaka na gustong mamuhay ng simple eh masyadong hinahamak kasi nga takot tayo sa patayan ay ayaw nila ang mga magsasaka na kristiano eh mabuhay lang ng simple, sa mga MILF kasi walang kwenta ang buhay sa kanila kahit mamatay sila basta masunod lang ang kapritsuhan nila gaya ng ibang muslim countries.
Ayon kay Esperon laban kay Mayor Pinol ba yun, kung atakihin daw sila ng MILF bahala sila sa buhay nila, kasi nga BADAP si esperon urong ang bayag samantalang di naman siya nakikipag giyera, ayaw pala niya mamatay ang mga sundalong pinoy sa laban eh di sumuko na lang sila sa MILF. kung ipagpilitan man ng MILF ang gusto nila, handa kami na tumulong sa mga kababayan natin dyan sa mindanao lalo na sa mga kristiano. ito eh hindi naman labanan ng tapang kundi paninindigan laban sa mga taong walang EMOSYON. sigh#@ tumaas na naman yata ang presyon ko. tingnan nyo ang bukirin nila...ang lalawak..damo,talahib lng ang nkatanim..but in fearness to toto paglas,bawal ang tamad sa kanila...ganyan sanang ugali ang gayahin nyo...d lng antayin nyong malapit na mag ani ang bukirin ng ibang tao, saka nyo aagawin,..gusto nyo b ganyan ang mangyari sa mindanao?...malamang, yan ang patutunguhan ng BJE....
-d2 sa gensan,some muslims are claiming that fishport at tamlber are own by their ancestors and claiming that until now, government dont yet pay for their land, ano ginagawa nila,bawat passenger vehicle ( habal-habal, jeep nd others ) hinihingihan nila 1 peso bawat tao...ganyan b ang kultura na gusto natin mangyari!....mabuhay kayo ng patas!...nakakahiya kayo! i remember during the time of Fr. Mercado, OMI...when he was a NDU (notre dame university )president, their wae a existence of culture of violence inside the campus..teachers are being harassed( i remember ,an engineering instructor < engr. Go> attacked by a group of identified muslim students ),..one student in the group is a classmate of mine in minor subject. i heard that student failed by teacher in his subject,.at marami pang estudyante ang binubugbog nila ng walang kalaban laban. ang dami kasi nila..
they are too violent if they are in group, ang siga nila!..kaming ultimong estudyante, nakakaawa..pero walang nagawa ang presidente namin...d niya kaya kontolin ang kaguluhan sa loob ng bakuran niya, while the MILF-GRP negotiating team met inside the campus. Siga-siga mga muslim, me pa jihad-jihad pa nalalaman. pag nainis na buong mundo, maglulunsad na naman ng crusade at sigurado mag iiyakan na naman yan at magkukunwaring inaapi eh sila nga tong mga walanghiya. dapat kasi i-"terrorize" na din natin mga yan, kung namumugot sila ng ulo, painumin naman natin ng dugo ng baboy, ihian mga bangkay at wag itapas sa mekka kung ililibing na para di makapunta sa sex paradise, manginginig sa takot mga yan.
Ok lang sa kanila yon, may 72 virgins naman sila!! Tanong ko lang, hindi ba sila nagkaka-ubusan ng virgins sa langit sa dinami-dami ng mga suicide bombers/mujahideens??
mar, drug addict ka yata. magparehab ka na lang nakkabuti sa iyo. dahil sa tingin ko, malapit kana masiraan ng bait.
pare/mare,
ang layo naman ng pagkaintindi mo. its not about Muslim o Christian view points...its about your view points regarding QUo Vadis....walang ganyanan bro... ilabas mo ang galing mo sa pag intindi ng MOA..pagtawanan ka niyan... Peace bro...ang kelangan ng bawat isa sa atin... good job vice gov pinol, fight for our right...dont be afraid to them..
but a general like esperon, seem to be surrender to MILF..even general ermita,...because of hidden agenda... ANo kaba naman...walang ganyanan...hehehe...respetohin mo naman si Vice Pinol ...wag mo ng painitin pa...maka peace ka naman wag init ng ulo....
for your information:hindi lahat ng kasama ng MILF ay muslim...some of the MILF group are from other ethnicity..hindi muslim..so how could the MILF say that they represent the Muslim people?... marami ngang muslim dito sa zamboanga, even those in bongao, jolo and tawi tawi na under ngayon sa ARMM ang ayaw nang ma- under sa ARMM....dahil sa ang pondo na binibigay sa ARMM na dapat sana ay para sa pagpapatayo ng paaralan at hospital para sa mga Muslim sa Jolo, Tawi-Tawi at Bongao ay ginagamit lang nila na pambili ng mga armas.....at karamihan ng ito ay napupunta lang sa pinuno ng ARMM..... so how could the MILF say that they represent the Muslim tribe?...hindi naman lahat ng myembro nila ay muslim...isa pa....kahit nga ang mga muslim dito sa zamboanga ayaw nila ma under sa ARMM.....alam namin na money talks sa issue na ito.....sabihin na lang ni GMA kung magkano ang share nya sa pondo na ibibigay ng OIC sa ARMM kung maexpand ang ARMM....syempre....kung magexpand ang ARMM mas malaki ang pondo na ibibigay ng OIC sa ARMM..at syempre..may share jan ngayon ang mga nakikisawsaw sa peace talk na yan....may peace naman dito sa zamboanga ah....in fact kame lang ata ang lugar na iba-ibang lahi pero namumuhay ng mapayapa dito....... anong problema ni GMA sa amin...?.... oh baka malaki ang kita nya sa pagbenta ng zamboanga sa ARMM......magkano po ba?....bakit kame ibinebenta....?... as of this afternoon..most classes are called off dito sa amin kasi nandito si Misuari..... sa tingin nyo...masaya ang ganito..???? pirma kayo ng pirma palibhasa kasi hindi kayo affected sa pirmahan na yan....baka in the future ang visayas and luzon naman ang ibenta nyo.....so saan na ang luzviminda.....?...
we're just only PRAY TO OUR ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER; ONLY GOD KNOWS!
ANG TANONG SINO BA ANG MAS HAYOP?
ANG MGA HAYOP BA O TAYONG MGA TAO? Some part if not Most of Mindanao those have big clan will dominate the political spectrum once the BJE will be established and then they become a Royal or Dynasty and those ordinary people inspired to serve their constituent may definitely sideline, or BJE may become a authoritarian entity. Just look at the present elected officials there, they are dominant clan in their regions and if BJE will run their own government, election will never be fair and reliable, harassment and intimidation will be the rampant before the international observer arrived.
This MOA or BJE will encourage other Rebel group to intensify their arm struggle. Also if the government easily relinquished other part of Mindanao why other rebel can't get what they want. So give the Quezon province to NPA especially the mount Banahaw and other part of philippines where NPA has big influence or the Cordillera mountains and the other tribe that has been declared their own ancestral domain, let the Philippines be divided like a pizza, anyway our politicians don't care it anyhow they only take care on how to enriched themselves. Bye bye Philippines, bye bye Filipinos existence, sorry those who dedicated their lives depended Philippine sovereignty and independence, sorry to our Heroes who fought spaniards and sorry to our veterans who liberate philippines from japanese occupation and thank you all corrupt politicians of disintegrating or decomposing Philippine archipelago from the world map. Walang nang Mabuhay na bati! Kung tayong mga Pinoy ay kasing-husay at kasing-talino mag-isip kagaya ng mga Malaysians (na majority ay Muslim by the way), sana ay para na rin tayong Malaysia sa progress at development, peace and harmony among various religions and ethnic groupings. Kung hindi niyo pa nakikita ang matiwasay at progressibong pamumuhay ng mga Malaysian Muslims, Christians & Hindus dahil sa ang kikitid ng mga utak nyong mahihilig lang mag-dakdak at mga war-mongers pa, hindi kayang tumingin beyond your noses, then it is to your loss. Kawawang mga Pinoy, forever delusional kahit na bagsak na sa putikan at nag-hihirap na. Imbes na magpsa-salamat sa effort ng mga Malaysians na magkaroon ng solusyon ang problema natin sa Mindanao, minamasama pa yung mga tumutulong. Talagang utak pulburo tayong mga Pilipino. We deserve what we have: perpertual animosity and poverty among ourselves. Magtaka pa kayo kung bakit di kayo sinasangguni nina Ate Glo at Kuya Esperon sa kanilang pakana for Mindanao? Tingnan nyo ang inyong mga pinagsasabi dito: masahol pa kayo sa batang retarded sa pagmumukmok at pagmamaktol.
Excuse me, sabi ni mahathir muhammad ng malaysia, na ang pag-unlad ng malaysia ay dahil sa mga intsik (buddhist, christians) at mga indiano(hindu) at hindi dahil sa mga muslim malaysian. Ang mga muslim malays ay tadtad na ng subsidy para umunlad pero wa-epek pa din. i search mo nalang sa internet kung ano sinabi ni mahathir muhammad para mapatunayan mo. hindi puro ka dakdak.
Kawawang Eli. Pumunta ka ng Malaysia at tingnan mo kung ilang Malay Muslims ang mga mayayaman doon at nagpapatakbo ng ekonomiya, politika at gobyerno ng Malaysia. Dahil sa majority sila, ibig sabihin NAKARARAMI, natural lang na mas marami din sa kanila ang bumubuo ng lower class ng economy, pero hindi ibig sabihin nito na pampabigat sila sa ekonomiya, bagkus ay kulang pa nga ang mga tao nila para mapa-ikot pa ng husto ang ekonomiya nila. The mere fact na umaasenso din ang mga Kristiyano, Buddhist at Hindu sa Muslim Malaysia ay patunay lang na maling-mali ang mga paningin ninyo sa mga Muslim - ito ang buod ng mensahe ni Mahathir Mohammad, who is Muslim na Muslim by the way. At least si Mahathir, marunong tumingin ng credit where credit is due, hindi kagaya ninyo na walang kompasyon sa mga Muslim ng Pilipinas, mga warfreak at swapang, kinamkam na ang kalakihan ng mga lupain ng BangsaMoro. Bigyan nyo lang ng independence ang mga Muslim ng Mindanao at hayaan silang magpatakbo ng kanilang sariling pamumuhay without the "white burden" of people like you, aasenso din kagaya ng Malaysia ang Muslim Mindanao.
Tingnan mo lang ang mga comments ng mga warfreaks dito. Nakakahiyang ipa-abot ke Hesu Kristo. Di na kayo nahiya sa sarili ninyo. I support vice gov pinol's protest and the others.
I'll pray for them... Peace-Unity on Mindanao is only we need, not that MAO. Ang dapat yang Gloria at sa mga peace panel nya lansang sa cross down way! Mga kapatid, konting hinahon lang, mapa-Muslim man o Kristyano iisang bansa natin, kaya tayo nag kakagulo kc inuuna natin init ng ulo natin, masyado mataas ang tingin natin sa ating mga sarili. Alamin muna natin ang issue. ano ba ang issue? ang issue ba ay dapat bigyan ng autonomy ang ARMM, the have already, ano pa ang gusto. Gusto b nila humiwalay ng gobyerno? aba hindi pwede yun, dapat muna nating baguhin ang sestema ng government natin, Gawin muna nting Parlamentaryo ang form of government natin. Mga kapatid hnd n issue d2 kung orihinal k bng mamayan ng Mindanao o hindi,dhil ba marami muslim s Mindanao dpt Hiwalay cla ng gobyerno. Mga kapatid n muslim, hnd natin pinag uusapan d2 ang relihiyon, ang pinag uusapan natin ay governance, sa tingin nyo ba c Nur Missuary ay mahusay n lider? ilang milyon ang budget ng ARMM during Ramos admin? may nangyari ba s Mindanao? wl pong personalan d2 opinion lng.sa mga kapatid nting muslim, c Gloria at Nur ay wlng pag kakaiba pareho silang gahaman s posisyon, kung inyong matatandaan nung time ni erap, patapos n ang Term ni Nur bilang ARMM governor, ano po ang ginawa nya, hnd sya pumayag n mapalitan sa halip n mundok ulit sya. Kung isa syang huwarang lider dpt sumunod sya s batas, pumayag sya sa ARMM kc sya ang lider nung matapos term nya, inaapi ang Muslim whattttttttttttttttttttttttttt????
Tama ka Jake...dahil sa mga leaders natin nagkaganito ang ang Pinas...kawawa naman... kelan kaya matapos ang ganito...sana isang araw makamit ng bawat isa atin ang tunay na kapayapaan...
pero alam mo...Pro BJE pa rin ako ganon pa man... whatever happens..alam mo na yon kung bakit... As a Mindanoan I hope and pray that not sooner or later the elusive peace in Mindanao will be attained. But I do not support this kind of peace process that the present administration and the terrorist MILF wants to implement.
Madam, President as Commander-in-Chief of this great nation you swear an oath before this great nation and before Almighty God that you will defend and protect our soveriegnity, national interest, and territorial Integrity.. What happened to that oath, are we having an amnesia or we are losing our guts to defend this great nation against foriegn and domestic enemies of our state? The national government should not be held hostages by the MILF by dictating what to do with the terms and agreements of the MOA of BJE.. instead the government should be the who will dictate on the MILF because with all the might and resources of the Republic of the Philiippines the MILF can easily be pulvorized by our military. Take example when President Erap Estrada order the Armed Forces to crushed the Terrorist MILf. the MILF nearly becomes an extinct organization.. My God, What did the present administration do... they return the the captured camp and given them time to regroup and re-arm... the present administration desecrated the lives of our fallen soldier who risk and sacrifice their lives because of thier duty and honor to defend our national territory and so that thier family and liove ones will be secure whenever they are away. Madam President, make up your mind. This is a dangerous thing,,,, Conflict in the South is not a religious war. Christain and muslim alike are living together without consideration of their religious affiliation. the primary reason why we had conflict in MIndanao is lack of government support and services, illetiracy and unemployment. the present administration should address this problem before our people in mindanao will become the next "BOSNIA". Madam President please dont divide the Republic of the Philippines... to Mindanaons, let us rise up and opposed in the strongest term the creation of "BJE". hindi terrorist ang MILF marahil nasabi mo yan dahil nateroray kana...nateroray kana ba...?
alam mo, isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit nagkaganito ang pilipinas.....kawawa naman, dito pa naman ako ipinanganak..dahil sa accusation na inilabas mo...maling mali eh...alam mo pag ma trace ka nila... ala ka...hehehehe ....joke joke joke...pero sa totoo lang bro...alm mo ba yong mga panel nila..mga brilliant attorneys bro...kaya kaya nilang makipaglaro sa GRP...tapos sabihin mong terrorista..hehehe peace bro...yan lang ang hangad ko..through out the world.... Sorry to say that why dont you join the Phil Army and get assign into mindanao just to taste the real expeirence of being a solder in the battle feild. Do you know that the law you are talking about is being made by the person who design the "DEVIDE AND RULE POLICY" now look at your self and i can challenge you that even the son of the son of your grandson you can never defeat the Moros and let me tel you this and keep it in your mind THE ARMM can not solve the mindanao problem because you know why the ARMM does not have the power but rather it is dectated by your LAW which is written by the most corrupt chamber! Hey wake Up men!!! they themself LAWMAKER are fighting for thier own vested interest in fact they are not a public servant but what??? You guest???????????? So if BJE can adress the problem in mindanao so why can't we give a chance hey don't be stupid men! Now if you want and another All Out War then be it! we as moro are ready for your intrussion and i swear by God we will serve you with the most delicious food that you would never forget for the rest of your life, so that is why GMA negotiating with the MILF now kung may utak ka ay alamo muna kung bakit nakikipag negotiate ang gov't. sa MILF.....
abu, dont get hot kapatid kung hangad natin ay kapayapaan hindi lang itong BJE ang paraan. cencya na kapatid high school lang natapos ko dahil sa kahirapan ng buhay pero ito'y idea ko lamang. Bakit kailangan magkaroon ng jurisdiksyon ang MIlF at malayang magkaroon ng sariling batas matanong kita.Ngayong di pa naaprobahan ang BJE marami may napeperhwisyo frontline Abu sayyaf kabuntot MILF. ngayon pa lang di pa masyadong tinatawag na legitimate ang kapngyarihan ng MILF sa bisa ng BJE. gusto ng masakop ang lugar na ayaw sa BJE paano na ang mamamayan nito? same as the lumads again?what do you think? kung ang ARMM ay di kayo contento sa pamamalakad at kung ang namumuno sa inyo ay di kayo kontento may ibang paraaan ng pagbabago at ng kapayapaan..d nakukuha sa dahas....di kaya ang armas gigamit lamang para sa madaliang pagyaman?ano sa tingin mo.alam nasa ibang bansa ako ang nakikita ko lang na problema natin ay...TAMAD...pag tinamaan ka na katamaran makakadama ka ng INGIT at makapag isip ka ng bagay na labag sa kalooban ng kapwa tao.. alam ko matalino ka kapatid... ...tanungin mo ang iyong ninuno kung tinamnan ba nila ng ikabubuhay ang lupang kinatatuan mo? ayon sa aking kaalaman ang lupang natatayuan mo ay lalong mataba kaysa sa iba nating kababayan magtanim ng may makain walang magnanakaw sa lugar kundi kayo kayo lang.isipin mo kung anong maitutulong mo sa gobyerno di yung gobyerno mag iisip sa yo...
hay naku...kapag natuloy yan,magka ubusan christians at muslims sa mahal kung mindanao...mas marami yata kaming christians sa mindanao..abaw ma tagbaw gid sila sa ilaga mo...if you go to areas in mindanao where a muslim is head of the city or province youll notice a lack of infrastructure and roads plus the bonus corruption..when will this end madame arroyo? naubos na talaga bilib ko sa iyo..
Hindi kasinungalingan: ang "maghanap" ng "kapayapaan".
Hindi kasinungalingan: ang gustuhing makita ang "anak" ng may magandang "bukas". Hindi kasinungalingan: ang gustuhin ng tao na magkaroon ng kanyang sariling "relihiyon" upang hanapin "katahimikan" ng kaluluwa niya Hindi kasingalingan:protektahan ng isang bansa ang tunay na naninirahan dito. walang kasinungalingan dito kung hindi ang tunay na pagtangap mo sa hinahanap mong tunay na kasagutan mo sa iyong sarili. Tol okey ang mga tira mo ipag patuloy mo madami kang masusungkit dyan
you know mr./ms. kaffir, yuo are totlly have no idea on what you're talkin... pano mo naman nasabi na pigs and apes ang pagtingin ng mga muslim sa inyo??? you know if the blood of christians and jews are permissible to muslims, eh di sana pinagpapatay na ng mga taga saudi ang mga pinoy na nagtatrabaho, newey am here in the kingdom, eh di sana ginyera na ang pinas ng indonesia at malaysia, bat pa nila patatagalin yan eh mas malakas kaya sila keysa sa atin sa pinas... you know i suggess you to read more about islam and how does islam spread to the every corner of this world...
what happened in mindanao is a part of the concern of muslims for the community, muslim man o christians o whatever... thanks Kung ang saudi at malaysia ang mga super-powers ng mundo, wag ka mag alinlangan na uubusin nila ang mga tao na hindi naniniwala sa dyos at propeta nila. at kung di ka naniniwala na sinabi ng libro nyo na apes and pigs ang mga hindi muslim.. eh sinungaling ang libro mo o ikaw ang sinungaling. sasabihin mo na paradise ang saudi? at gusto mo maging saudi? isa sa mga number one na human rights violator sa mundo!
Thanks Kaffier!!
"you know i suggess you to read more about islam and how does islam spread to the every corner of this world..." By the sword... 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. bro/sis,
tama ang pagkabasa mo sa 9:5...pero mali ang pagkaintindi mo in that particular surah...verse 1-12..this portion deals with the sanctity of treaties and lay down principles, rules and regulation which must be kept in view before breaking them, incase the other party does not observed them sincerely.. yon ang tinutukoy na pagans... sana maliwanagan ka... i suggest d natin dapat ipromote ang ganito..that involve text from the holy book.... what we need is peace... yon dapat ang hangad natin lahat... kaffier!
bago ka mag salita sigurohin mo muna na tama ang nabasa at binasa mo...at wag mo idamay dito ang pinaka ginagalang namin na Quran(libro) kasi salita ni Allah yon at ndi pweding tama ang sinasabi mo...bilang respito sa mga muslim natin kababayan... at mali rin na papatayin ng mga saudi ang ayaw maniwala o pumasok sa relihiyong Islam,kasi maliwanag na halimbawa ay ang maraming kristiano na nagtatrabaho dito sa K.S.A.filipinp palang ay bk umbot ng ilang daang libo.... kung tama ang sinasabi mo bakit patoluy na dinadayo ang saudi ng mga kristiano para mag trbaho dito,sana pinauwi nalang lahat ng kristiano,,,, maliwanag na sa mga tunay muslim pantay ang pagtingan nila sa lahat ng tao.. please lang respito mo lang paniniwala ng ibang tao kasi ndi relihiyon ang pinagaawayan dito... nag papalitan lang tsyo ng opinyon para sa ikabubuti ng bayan natin ndi tayo nandito para magmorahan at magpalitan ng masasamang salita... kung gusto mong respitohin ka ng ibang tao matoto karing romispeto....kilangan daw respitohin mo ang sarili mo. I wish the MOA will be signed. Because if it is signed. TOTAL WAR. Christians harboring very quiet hate and anger will raise in arms. Very similar to what happened in the former Yugoslavia (Bosnia, Croatia, etc). The Christians were fed up and started genocide of Muslims. PLEASE, SIGN AND FINALIZE THE MOA!!!
ha ha ha ha....Mali ka bro....let it pass by the authority...d mo pa alam siguro what is war all about...baka ang pinag basehan mo ay sine lamang..iba ang actual bro...makakaihi ka ng di mo alam...tapos gusto mo ng ganon....
peace bro...peace ang klangn natin...sanay na ang mindanaons sa sinabi mo...genocide kamo! think bro...if they have the genocide na sabi mo...the moros does...mawawala tayo lahat dito pag ganon... eh sino pa ang hahawak sa pinas... wag init ng ulo bro... malamang maranao ka Omar. ang mga maranao ay duwag. actually lahat kayo duwag. matapang lang kayo pagmadami kayo at kung may dala kayong baril, pero kung mag-isa ka lang, duwag ka. nung nilusob ang camp abubakar ng mga tropa ni gen. cimatu, nagsitakbuhan ang mga milf parang mga bayot. dyan lang kayo magaling, sa pananakot. pag totoong bakbakan, takbuhan. pag natapos na ang administrasyon ni arroyo, sana ang uupo tulad ni erap. para lusubin uli kayo. at mag party uli kami sa mga kampo ninyo kakain kami ng maraming lechon.
Mali ka bro...unang una d ako maranao, pangalawa d mo dapat isalahat ang maranao duwag...
pangatlo ang ginawa nilang pag likas ng camp ay art of war yon...d mo pa yata nabasa ang libro na Art of War...sun yatsen ang author non bro...napakagandang libro... sana pag maykapalit si Pres. arroyo wag naman yong gulo na lang lagi...alam mo ba ang efekto noon pag gulo...pera ng mamayan ang mauubos, buhay ng mamayan lalo na ang civilian... walang personalan dito bro...ideya ideya lang to... let us move together toward peace bro... ang problema sa mindanao ay isa lamang sa mga problema na hinaharap ng ating bansa ngayon... PEACE PEACE PEACE to one and all
#78.1.1.1.1
prvte1stclass
on
2008-08-07 22:15
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kunwari ka pa dyan art of war. bobo ka tlaga omar. ang nagsulat ng art of war si sun tzu 2thou years ago. si sun yat sen naman ay general ng nationalist o kuomintang ng china nung huling dekada. di pa siya pinanganak nung sinulat ang art of war.
sayang, akala ko pa nman kung sino ka. moklo ka lang pala. kaya namin nalusob karamihan ng mga kampo ninyo kasi mga tanga kayong mga moklo. next time, wag kang mag kunwaring may alam ka sa giyera. lahat ng miyembro ng afp nakapag seminar tungkol sa art of war. 13 chapters lang siya, kaya kung may panahon ka, magbasa ka na lang. sayang ka.
#78.1.1.1.1.1
anakmoro
on
2008-08-10 06:56
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ah ganon matapang ka e san ka ngayon?
anong nang yari kay erap after the war in lanao...kasi nilampastangan niya karapatan ng mga mamamayan ng lanao,kasi kahit alam niya mga muslim tao don nag pa lechon pa sya...yan ang karma!!!! ang gaba dili mag saba!!!!!
#78.1.1.1.1.1.1
galit sa moklo
on
2008-08-10 09:19
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anak moro. masaya ako hindi ako muslim. kasi kahit anong gawin niyo, hindi aasenso lugar niyo. bakit?
-tamad kayo. sobrang tamad -ayaw magsikap, lahat idaan sa init ng ulo -kung hindi makuha ang gusto, idaan na lang sa gulo -akala niyo lahat ng problema madaan sa baril at bala -at ang alam niyo lang na trabaho ay puro iligal (kidnapping, carnapping, holdup, pirated dvds hahaha, etc) kaya kahit anong gawin niyo, hinding hindi kayo aasenso. kaya masaya ako na anak ka ng moklo, este, moro. moro-moro.
#78.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
anakmoro
on
2008-08-10 18:58
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ah ganon...maaring may tamad sa amin kasi dipendi yon sa tao pero tingnan mo ang nakapaligid sayo kung sino maraming naghihirap jan...moro ba? SINO MGA NAKATIRA SA SQUATERS SA ILALIM NG TOLAY MGA MOROS BA? MANOOD KA NG BALITA PARA MAGISING KA KONG SINO MAS MARAMING NAGHIHIRAP JAN AT HINDE UMAASINSO? SINO BA ANG MGA KASAPI NG KORATONG BALILING?MOROS BA?MISMONG PRESIDENTE NG PINAS NAKOLONG DAHIL SA PAGNANAKAW....KONG MAY GUMAGAWA NG MASAMA JAN KUNTI LANG AT SA INYO NANGGAGALING LAHAT YAN....PUNTA KA QUIAPO KAYO MGA CUSTOMER...JEJEJE MAS MARAMI HOLDAPER SA INYO KAYO NGA LAMAN NG LAHAT BG DIYARYO SA 20 PAHINA BAKA ISNS MORO...PERO LAHAT KAYO ANG BIDA...HOLDAP,CARJACK,SMUGLING..KOTONGAN,NAKAWAN SA GOBERNO,ARAW ARAW DAHIL MAY WELGA MAY MGA MAGNANAKAW DAW SA GOBERNO..MASAKIT PATI PRESIDINTE..SI ERAP MAGNANAKAW DAW? SI MARCOS MAMAMATAY TAO DAW? SI GLORIA MANDARAMBONG? SINO SILA HA ABER? SINO PA YONG NAG PA MASSACRE NG MGA MAGSASAKA?AT MARAMI PA JAN NA SARILI MO MAKIKITA MO!!!! NDI MORO?????? LAHAT NG TAO MAY KANYAKANYANG KAPALARAN NDI PORKIT NDI KA UMAASINSO DAHIL TAMAD KA MAARING..AYAW LANG KAYO BIGYAN NG IBANG TAO PARA UMASINSO...TINGNAN MO KARAMIHAN JAN SA LUZON MGA MORO KAHIT ANO TINITINDA KASI GUSTONG UMASINSO AT MABOHAY NG MARANGAL AT PARIHAS WAG NATIN HUSGAHAN ANG LAHAT NG MORO DAHIL SA PAGKAKAMALI NG ISA MALIBAN DAHIL NARIN SA IYONG PAGIGING MARAMOT!!!!!
NDI LAHAT NG MORO GUSTO NG GULO TULAD DIN NINYO NA MADALAS KAMING MANGARAP NA SANA KONG DI MAN NGAYON...DUMATING ANG ARAW NA MAGKARON NA NG KATAHIMIKAN SA MINDANAO AT BOUNG PINAS.... SANA KAHIT SA KONTING BAGAY MAKATOLONG TAYO PARA ANG KAPAYAPAAN NA ATING PINAPANGARAP AY MAKAMTAN NA NATIN,KAYA SANA KONG WALA LANG NAMAN TAYONG MASASABING MAGANDA MAS MAKAKABOTING MANAHIMIK NALANG TAYO AT ISAMA SA BAWAT PANALANGIN NATIN NA SANA MAGISING TAYO SA KATOTOHANAN NA KILANGAN NATIN ANG BAWAT ISA PARA MABUHAY TAYO... PEACE COULD NOT BE ACHIEVE TROUGH THE BARREL OF THE GUN.
#78.1.1.1.1.1.2
prvt1stclass
on
2008-08-10 09:26
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bobo talaga kayo mga moklo. anakmoro, unang una ang camp abubukar hindi sa lanao, nasa maguindanao. bago ka magsalita, gamit ka muna ng utak. wag ka magalala, padestino uli ako dyan at magbibilang ako ng kaluluwa.
#78.1.1.1.1.1.2.1
anakmoro
on
2008-08-10 19:07
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bakit may sinabi ba akong camp abubakar ang sabi ko sa lanao??????
cge mag pa distino ka kong san mo gusto..sa cotabato nag start na sila bakit nanja kapa........ may pabilang bilang bilang kapa jan....hoy wala kong bilib sa taong mahilig magbihat ng sariling bangko... masaya ka...utng mo yon kong kaylan ka sisingilin yan paghandaan mo..midyo ingat kalang kasi baka isipin nong iba totoo sinasabi mo at ikaw magbayad sa kasalanan ng iba dahil sa bibig mong madaldal..... baka pag interisan ka pwede ka matonton ...ingat at magbasa ka....
#78.1.1.1.2
waray
on
2008-08-08 06:55
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mabuti pa itong mga moro brothers natin,bibigyan nang sariling lupain na separate from the philippine government..kami rim kaya sa samar leyte,mga waray hingin rin namin kaya kay madame pandak este arroyo ang aming ancestral domain...ibigay kaya? ULOL.....
#78.1.1.1.3
F. Marcos
on
2008-08-09 08:36
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HA-HA-HA-HA!!!
SUN YAT SHEN DAW !!! HA-HA-HA!!! GET OUT OF HERE!!! HA-HA-HA I think your ignorance of the law. IT'S NOT THE SOLUTION...
Brod, think twice di mo ba alam na mayroon din Moslems na ayaw sa MOA? Before Christians and, yes, even Muslims came to Mindanao, the Lumads already inhabited Mindanao. The Lumads have FAR more rights to Mindanao than any Christian or Muslim. Just like the Aborigines and the Native American Indians, the Lumads are the original settlers of Mindanao, not the Bangsamoro.
As a representative of the people, please raise the issue further. This deal of the national government is very unfair, ill-advised, definitely ILLEGAL and a potential for further hostilities. Thank you and best regards, A Mindanaoan of Lumad descent Folks!
Peace! The discussion on the MOA is important... But we need to read and study the document... so our opinions and positions are "informed". Any active blogger who wants a copy simply write me a note at jun.mercado@gmail.com and your email address. I will send you the complete MOA and the Annex which is the areas included in category A. WE SHOULD NOT LET OUR BIASES GET THE BETTER OF US... READ AND STUDY... and then make your opinions and suggestions... We should be beyond simple labels and name calling... Cheers! Bapa makakapal ang muka ng mga bangsamoro.they are just pain in our asses!!!
anung ancestral domain??mga ulol!!! ang nagmamay-ari sa pilipinas ay mga pilipino,hindi mga muslim o kung sino mang bangsamoro. kung gusto nyo,pumunta nalang kayo sa ibang planeta,sa mars o kaya sa pluto.bagay kayo dun!!makipagdigma kayo sa mga kalahi nyong ALIENS!!parehas kayo ng likaw ng bituka.puro pakikidigma.. eto namang gobyerno natin,puro pulpol ang diskarte.lalo na tong si esperon,NAPAKADUWAG!!ayaw bumangga sa mga moros.para matapos nalang ang usapan,ibbenta nalang ang mindanao.BOBO talaga!!! wag ng ituloy ang BJE!!kawawa nman ang ibang mga hindi moro.madidiscriminate sila duon. hoy mga tga gobyerno,tigilan nyo na ang pagpapapogi..SWANGET naman talaga kayo. Mr. Snoop Dogg,
Dapat alamin mo muna ung true story why Bansamoro want to have their own government. Eh sa pangalan mo lang "ASO KA NA". Ang aso kasi kahit ikaw ang nagpalaki mo, darating ang araw ikaw mismo ang kakagatin. Fuck you my friend! al,
fuck you too asshole!!! why would i study bangsamoro where in fact they are henchemen of satan??? bullshit!!! magsama sama kayong mga kampon ng demonyo.isama mo na amg MILF.. mga terorista!!! walang puwang sa mundo ang mga hinayupak na tulad nyo!!! ang ipinaglalaban nyo ay pansariling interes lamang at hindi para sa kapakanan ng nakararami.. UTOT MO!!MAKAKAPAL ANG MUKA NYO!! IKAW ANG ASO!!SUNOD SUNURAN KA LANG SA UTOS NG AMO MONG TERORISTA!!! TANGNA NYO LAHAT!!! --lumads are not muslim's,why would they want to be part of a islamic region??
--they retained their native customs because they are the true aborigines of mindanao.. --the muslims only came here in mindanao on the 13th century,while the lumads were already here long before the islam faith came!!~~............ I have read and analized the MOA creating the BJE.. My conclusion to the MOA creating the Bangsamoro Juridical Entity..It all sucks up.. Hey Hermohenes Esperon and Ghadzali Jaafar along with your terrorist members make up your mind. The people of this Republic will not allow you to destroy and divide this nation.. As I read and studied the MOA all the requirements in creating a new states or a belligerent staus were all in MOA. I was shock, this should be stopped and thrown in the garbage forever. The government must and should be able to understand the history of the world, look what happened in YOGOSLAVIA. Genenocide and mass murder, disrespect to the human rights. Hope it will not happen in Mindanao if ever this accord will push thru.
take note all who read this and bear this in mind: If ever the MOA will be signed today, The Terrorist MILF will have their own territory, will have a separate armed group from our armed forces, they will have a 75% share of the income of all the resources coming from mindanao, and they will have their own court.... the resources that they will gain from this accord will help them to buy new weapon and recruit new members of their terrorist Group to fight our armed forces if ever they will declare an independence from the Republic of the Philippines. My God, this is tragedy if this will happen... If we let this happen or let our eyes be blind that in reality the Terrorist MILF wants to have their own separate state and a separate government from the Republic of the Philippines. these should not be happen and it must not happen. We want peace but not on this kind of terms of agreement cited in the MOA creating BJE. We will opposed this so called Peace accord in the strongest term.... this will only creat a havoc, fear, and division in mindanao. the Land of mindanao do not belong to christian or muslim, it belongs and owned by the FILIPINOS a citizen of the Republic of the Philippines. To Gloria Macapagal Arroyo the Commander in Chief of this Republic, please do your job as the leader of this land to protect our national soveriegnty, territorial integrity and national interest. The Terrorist MILF should not dictate our government on what to do with this MOA. We should stay strong and determined... we have all the resources and might to quell and uprising in the south. just like what happened when President Erap Estrada order the all out war against the terrorist MILF. They nearly become extinct animal.they were scattered into pieces and run like a dog with thier tails on their butt.. I admired the former president by showing his political determination to destroy the terrorist MILF. If only this present administration did not give the terrorist MILF a chance to regroup and re-armed themselves we would solve this problem long time ago. Let us face the reality, general Macathur once said in his speech: " If we want to live in Peace always prepare for war." and If war is imminent against all forms of enemy of the state let it come and let us welcome it if this will be the price in achieving everlasting peace. PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT IS VERY VERY NAIVE....MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT IS THE BROKER....FOR THIS ANCESTRAL DOMAIN?
IF ANCESTRAL DOMAIN IS BEING DISCUSSED MOROS SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE NORTHEN BORNEO. ON WHICH THE OTHER HALF SHOULD BE FOR SULTAN BOLKIAH OF BRUNEI. IF THE THAT LAND IS REALLY THEIR "ANCESTOR'S DOMAIN" THEY SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT..TILL THE LAND AND NOT TO MAKE WAR. IF EVER THEY GET THEIR DOMAIN..WILL THEY BRING DOWN THEIR ARMS AND WORK.....???? WILL THE GOVERNMENT GIVE THEM THE FINANCE TO START BUSINESS? BJE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ON THIS....IT ONLY TELL HOW IS THE PROFIT TO BE DIVIDED. HEY GRP!!! HOW COULD A FEW PAGED MOA BE ADAPTED TO A MULTI-RACIAL, MULTI-RELIGION, MULTI-IDEOLOGICAL MINDANAO? THINK BEFORE YOU DO DEALS...DO YOU KNOW MALAYSIANSHATES FILIPINOS? THEY KEEP ON SENDING BACK FILIPINOS WITH "ANCESTRAL DOMAIN" IN MALAYSIA. yes!!,esperon is thinking about peace in mindanao.Esperon is just thinking that if they will give a part of mindanao to the MILF there will be peace~~..the heck with that!!,as long as there are the MILF and MNLF there willalways be chaos in mindanao, look at whats happening now in northrn cotabato,in midsayap and parang,the place is in Red Alert because the MILF is saying that they will attack parts of north cotabato..
--If the MILF still will not stop this insurgency.The people of north cotabato will fight for the land. --Remember!!moslems are not the only group living in N.cotabato,the lumads are also in their ancestral land,im sure of it the lumads will never be part of the islamic state. The negotiations between the government and the milf could never work, considering that both side have failed to have a sincere effort towards achieving peace... If the negotiating panel were serious about negotiating peace then they would have consulted the very people affected by the conflict as to how they would be able to come up with a solution to the issue.
Im am a mindanaoan, and a Christian, and i would want peace at all cost, for this conflict has gone too long... but peace can never be achieved by a government which has handled the situation with an attitude of a camel trader. Take the city of Zamboanga for example, they included in their agreement of ancestral domain certain barangays, inlcuding zone 3 and zone 4 where our very own city hall and fort pilar are included, not to mention the very commercial district of Zamboanga. And sec dureza has the gall to claim that there was consultations with the people... Shame on him, and shame on the government negotiating panel for misrepresenting the interest of the filipino people in this negotiations... Their job is to protect the territorial integrity of the country.. If they had any honor left in them, they should commit sepuku for their crime against the people. Moros in Mindanao never recognized the Phil. government, the Phil. constitution, Supreme court etc. They are not even paying taxes! So what do we expect when this MOA becomes final? Do you think the MILF will abide by all the terms of the MOA?
THAT IS THE MAIN POINT!!!!
THAT IS THE MAIN POINT!!!! THEY WILL NOT ABIDE ON ANY RULES, BECAUSE MILF DO NOT ABIDE ANY RULES...EVEN ISLAMIC RULES! MILF is a separatist organization isn't it? All along we know what they want- to have a separate Moro state.
Hay naku, ano ba pinaggagawa ni Arroyo? Magkano kaya kikitain nya dito sa deal na to? alam niyo tama kayong lahat hindi dapat maaprubahan ang pagkakaroon ng BJE dahil delikado yan,maari ngang mahati ang pilinas between xtians and muslims,first thing is wala nmang pnaglalaban ang mga MILF n yan gusto lang nilang angkinin ang lupa ng mindanao para sa pansarili nila..dahil mayaman ang mindanao sa natural resources,baka matulad tayo sa north and south korea nyan anytime pwedeng mag gera,,,ano b ang iniisip ng gobyerno natin???pinapagulo lang ata nila ang system of government to create chaos kung saan maaring amendyahan ang constitution natin? this government is full graft and corruption,lahat n ata ng klaseng magnanakaw nasa gobyerno na..syempre kung ano ang ugat yun ang bunga,sino b ang nagtalaga ng mga taong yan para maupo sa ibat ibang upuan ng pamahalaan,wala nmang kakayahan halos lahat ng niluklok ni gloria iniupo niya lang ang mga yan para kontrolado niya lahat ng sangay ng pamahalaan,kapal ng mukha ni gloria kung tatakbo pa sya bilang pangulo natin eh sarili niyang bakod ang magnanakaw ni hindi nga nakasuhan,I have only 1 thing to say kung sa japan ang napapahiya at nalamang nagnakaw eh pinapagarote or nagpapakamatay satin ganito...ANG MAGNANAKAW SA GOBYERNO EH TAAS NOO PANG HUMAHARAP SA MGA TAO AT NAGSASABI NG LAHAT NG KASINUNGALINGAN GANYAN KAKAPAL ANG MUKHA NG MGA NAKAUPO SA GOBYERNO! ONLI IN THE PHILPPINES! walang gloria sa gobyernong ito,puro hirap at pahirap lang kayo sa mga tao,wag n kayo mambola pa dahil hndi niyo n kayang lokohin ang taong bayan,,,go to hell!
lahat ng mga taong nakaupo sa panel n yan eh dapat mamatay n... wala silang mga UTAK!!! MAS BOBO PA SILA SA MGA TAONG WALANG PINAG ARARLAN!!!!!!!!!
MGA BOBO ANG MGA NAKAUPO AT NAGSUSULONG N MAAPRUBAHAN ANG KASUNDUAN N YAN!!!!!!!bobo!!
alam niyo si esperon bobo yan nung nakaupo plang yan sa army eh hindi niya matalo at masugpo ang mga rebeldeng abbu sayyaf at MILF n yan wat more pa bilang peace panel?? alam niyo kung bakit sya naiyak nung hindi n tatakbo si gloria? kase sabi nya sa isip niya habang naluha eh paano ko magiging milyonaryo niyan kung hindi n si gloria ang presidente..tingnan mo now ipa lifestyle check mo yang hayup n yan ang milyun milyun n pera niyan sa bangko...tama b ko bobong esperon?
i was born and raised in mindanao, somehow i understand the struggle of moro people but that was a long time ago, we are now in the 21st century. the real agenda of the MILf not the moro people is they want to control the whole mindanao and palawan, what they called MINSUPALA (Mindanao, Sulu, Palawan) and later claiming the Sabah, as we all know malaysia rented the sabah for 5,000 malaysian money to the sultanate of sulu. coz they know that sabah and mindanao is rich in oil the bigest in the world compare to saudi iran iraq an kwait. remember nur misuari is claiming the sabah during his time in mnlf, but the government is not helping him. ferdinan marcos knows this issue coz he once supported to claim the sabah. if the MILF control the Minsupala and Sabah, they will be the richest ppl. and that they wanted. they created this problem in order to divert the attention of the people. fighting each other, then with this Peace Talk they held hostage the government for them to sign the Ancestral Domain, so that there will be peace if it sign. factor of being a state is already in the ancestral domain, wether the government want to sign it or not they already have own teritory, government, forces and international recognition, it will same as the kosovo.. so no to BJE no to Ancestral domain.. for references what im talking about search about sweet deal with the sabah, minsupala, milf iedology... hope for peace... what the govenmenet is doing is not creating peace but craeting havoc among the people of mindanao.. please AFP protect our sovereignty oust gloria and esperon he is just a military man not a political person..
Kung talagang ancestral domain ang gusto nyong ipaglaban bakit dit nyo ipaglaban yung claim natin sa sabah di ba may ancestral domain din natin yun
mas malaki yun Obviously this MOA-AD will not push through as the goverment is weak and very unpopular.
Arroyo has been "impotent" in uplifting the lives of common filipinos. everything is getting high ex. food, water, electricity, fuel, tuition fees and many more. So this goverment will fail in it's dealings with the MILF as the greater number of people will not support it. and will not trust the goverment. Its time for the Govt to end this....
Ubusin na ang MILF... salot lang yang mga yan sa bansang Pilipinas.... Peace be upon us....
Let's give PEACE a chance... I understand the sentiments of the christians much as I understand the sentiments of the Bangsamoro people. Glory be to God.. Let's take a step towards a lasting PEACE in Mindanao... Joe,
Have you ever tried to live (for a few years) in a Muslim community anywhere in Mindanao or even in Manila for that matter? Try to live in one first for a few years. Then you will truly, really truly understand how the Christians feel. thanks, Sick-n-tired Jun Mercado,
Don't forget ALL the stakeholders of Mindanao. There are more than 18 million people in Mindanao. And only a very small percentage of that are Muslims. A strong majority of Mindanao are non-Muslims and are very much against the MOA. Peace?? I don't think Christians are responsible for trouble in Mindanao. Have you ever seen a "Christian Liberation Front" or an "Abu Jesus Christ" kidnapping and beheading innocent civilians. Kung sino pa yung may mga armas at nanggugulo, sila pa yung pinagbibigyan. Ancestral Domain?? Oh, come on! Don't kid yourself. The lumads (and there are lots of them) have been here way before Islam came to Mindanao. The lumads have a stronger claim to ancestral domain than the bangsamoros. And go back to the Philippine Constitution. Please, please, please, READ THE CONSTITUTION AGAIN!! The very existence of the MILF is totally against the constitution. You are making a grave mistake the effects of which will permeate throughout the years to come. I suggest- talk to all the stakeholders in Mindanao. There are more than 18 million of them. Jose R. I AGREE THE LUMADS HAD A GREATER STAKE IN MINDANAO THAN THE BANGSAMOROS. THEY ARE THE TRUE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF MINDANAO.
NO TO MOA-AD!!!! NO TO MILF!! Eid Kabalu, we are not afraid of your threats. if you are mend to what you are saying common, make your first shot. Your terrorist group "MILF" is full of shit and lies. Why would the people of Mindanao submit to your jurisdiction? the Island of Mindanao belongs to the People of the Republic of the Philippines, not to anybody else. Can you imagine, if this thing push thru.. The government Panel headed by General Esperon are not using their heads, rather they just wanted to impress their "bitch" lame duck President. Why would the present administration heed to the demand and surrender our territory to the MILF? they should be one protecting the lives of their citizens when attack or harrass by these crooks and terrorist... Madam President, what is happening to our country today.. please do not divide our nation in expense of this so called "BJE".
This MOA of the Present Administration and the Terrorist Group MILF creating the proposed BJE are prelude to civil war in my beloved birthplace mindanao. Remember this, the terrorist MILF has only one purpose to create their own state under the protectorate of Malaysia. It should not happen and it will not happen. The poeple of Mindanao will defend our territory at all expense and if it will cause some loss of lives then so be it. Eid Kabalu and all your followers in the terrorist MILF group including GMA and his Disciples of Corruption are full of Shits... Go to hell!!! We do not need your MOA and We will opposed the creation of this BJE in the strongest term... true! eid kabalu and MILF thugs, if you are really brave MAKE THE FIRST SHOTS! THE FILIPINO PEOPLE DARES YOU! filipino people are divided on times of peace, but united in times of war!
alam mo anong nakakatawa??? Ang malaysia.
kunwari tumutulong sila para sa pagbroker ng peace talks to help the so-called bangsamoro (ginagamit lang ng MILF ang bangsamoro na pangalan). pero nakita niyo ba ang balita nung mga nakaraang linggo??? dineport ng malaysia ang libo libong mga muslim na mga taga mindanao mula sa bayan nila. mismo mga taga malaysia ayaw sa mga kapwa nilang muslim na mga taga mindanao. may dahilan po kaya dineport ng malaysia ang mga muslim sa pilipinas. upang dumami ang mag rerebelde sa pilipinas, it is a simple arithmetic mga kababayan. at pagnaghihirap na ang mga muslim na ito sasapi na sila sa MILF at upang dumami na ang makakalaban ng gobyerno at magkkunwaring inaapi.
daming sakit ng ulo ano po...ito naman kasing mga muslim na ito anak pa ng anak eh hirap na hirap na nga sila sa buhay. ang galing talaga ng strategy ng malaysia eh matatalino pa kayo sa leader namin ah. I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU ALL, MABUHAY ANG MILF AT MALAYSIAN LEADER, IPAGPATULOY NYO PA ANG INYONG MAKA IMPYERYONG GAWAIN. If you go to Maguindanao and visit some of their Municipalities, which is governed by Bangsamoro. The Municipality building are mostly empty, no one work, no one serve the people.
Most of them, hates work, thats why they have to buy a slave. Slavery is bought through kidnap or tricked person. Most of the slave are christians. This is reality.. Just this week, they are burning christian houses and harvest their farm. Eid Kabalo is a great lier... I believe that peace is just a dream... Spare us with your psychological warfare bullshit.. You will cannot convince us to fall in to your own lies and deception. No magic in this world can fool the people of this great nation, we are not ignorant of the situation. we are vigilant to every move of the present administrations, we are tired and sick of all this lies... enough is enough!!!
Madam Gloria, Please do not give Mindanao in a silver platter to the MILF crooks... open your eyes to the reality and implication of this MOA for the creation of BJE. For nine years of your Administration you have done nothing to improve the lives of your citizens and now heres another plot to surrender mindanao without a fight in the hands of the Terrorist MILF. What is happening to your government madam president. Are we having an amnesia, Mindanao is part and parcel of the Republic of the Philippines. the primary objective of the MILF is to create their own State under the blanket protectorate of Malaysia. If you are tired of fighting and hunting this terrorist group, you should step down, you have no business in administering this country. The conflict in Mindanao is not a fued between Muslim and Christian, the reason why we had this problem is because the government services are poor and we allow the terrorist and other thugs to occupy some land and build their own camp and clamoring for peace. what a heck! only in the Philippines. The government and its military might should quell this one and extiguished in the face of the planet. We will not be able to attain everlasting peace if we are afraid to get rid of this thugs and terrorist. Madam Preisdent, take the advise of then President Estrada who show his political determination and nearly pulvorized this terrorist group MILF, if not for the intervention of so called peace advocates... these problem should have long be solved if not for this present administration actions by returning the captured camp and given them a chance to regroup... We want peace in MIndanao but not with this MOA. The government should be the one dictating the terms and agreement in the peace process not this terrorist MILF. are we losing our guts or the government has other hidden agenda...Please do not divide MIndanao at expense of this so called peace..the problem will never be solve it will only create a larger division and a larger conflict.... JOE, SHUT UP YOUR MOUTH!!! YOU DONT KNOW NOTHING AT ALL!!! ARE YOU BLIND... OR TRYING ACT AS ONE...
I WAS BORN IN MINDANAO AND ASSIGNED THERE FIGTHING THESE THUGS AND TERRORIST.... THESE IS NOT ABOUT A FIGHT BETWEEN CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM. IT ABOUT OUR TERITORIAL INTEGRITY. RELIGION HERE IS NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL. I AM A MUSLIM AND I OPPOSED IN THE STRONGEST TERM THE CREATION OF "BJE". ARMED YOUSELF AND BE ONE OF THE MILF THUGS, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FORGED PEACE WITH THEM.....COMMON JOE... We, the Bangsamoro people just want our true freedom. We fight for right to self determination free from puppet fo the Manila colonial government.
Please visit www.luwaran.com. This is the official site of the MILF. Post your comment there and let us hear what who say. Peace be with you.... See arcijon have admitted "they want a separate state" and it comes from a mouth of a camel. owss... it smell so good.
why do we need these accord, it useless. let us call on our dogs of war (MARINES)and lets rain our artillery shells right in the butt of MILF terrorist. if we want to live in peace, lets prepare for war. if this is the price of elusive peace then let it be.... this lunatic calling himself hashim salamat is a big liar. he cannot even use his own name. eto ang mga klase ng taong warfreaks dito at ayaw ng peace settlement. kung ito ang paniniwalaan ng karamihan sa mga pilipino at magpapadala sa kanyang mala-asong ulol na pananaghoy, saan pupulutin ang pilipino? sa tingin nyo kaya mananahimik ang isang asong ulol dahil lang sa me nakagat na sya?
mr pulutin ka sa kanagkungan, you are really big moron, if not unusable person. chill out man if you dont know the issue. As i have said no part of Mindanao belongs to anybody else, it belong to the REpublic of the Philippines, nothing more nothing less. Is it hard for you to understand that simple logic? if you cannot understand this " pupulutin k nga sa kangkungan kasama yung mga Teroristang MILF".
First thing first, they (MILF Terrorist) don't have any rights to what they called ancestral domain bullshit, this will only create a division and hatred.if this happen why would the ilocano, the Igorot and other cultural minoroties declare that they are also entitled for ancestral domain. it is a bad precedent. Logically, if the terrorist MILF wanted to create their own independent states I have a right place for them in the planet Mars... thats the right place for them.. they will do what ever they want to do there, without if's and but. Lets face the reality, the majority of the people of mindanao,opposed the creation of this so called dream land of the "MILF" BJE.They do not respect our government and our laws, why would we respect them. They are thugs, uncivilized and undicipline species in this planet. We want peace in Mindanao but not on this kind of terms in the MOA creating the so called Dream land of the terrorist MILF. Read our history and listen to cry and agony of the people of Mindanao, especially those people who have been victimize by this terrorist group, they are burning villages of a peaceful community, terrorizing the lives and stealing their animals and livestocks of our fellow mindanoans farmers, dragging our country into conflict, Tell me is this the kind of people we want to live with... I bet and for sure, Mr. Pupulutin ka sa kangkaungan you will say NO! NO! NO!. Madam Gloria Macapacagal Arroyo please dont drag our country into civil war. In fact we are begging and appealing as the leader of this great republic, Do not divide MINDANAO, and please unleashed our military might and power so that this terrorist MILF will be forever be extinct in the face of this planet........ alm nyo guys...mga kababayan ko ako'y nasiyahan sa mga nababasa kong mga reaction nyo dito pero gusto ko sanang iparating sa inyo na ang BJI ay isang propanda lang yan ni ate GLowey para maging magulo ang pilipinas pag alis nya para may pagusapan tayo at magkonsentrasyon tayo dyan...pero sa totoo lang si ate glowey ay nasa China nanaman para ibaenta ang Batanes...kaya malakas talaga ang ekonomiya natin daming kita kaya nio ate glowey no....deal or noodles?....tingnan nyo naman ang pabuya nya sa mga atleta nya di ba milyon ant may brand new pang sasakyan....ang milyon na yon ipatayo na lang sana ng bahay ng mga kapatid na muslim para maymatuluyan sila sa di na sila kalat ng kalat sa bundok ayaw ni sen. loren ng makakalat...at take note may panlaban sila sa gobyerno ang mga yan mantakin mo mag kano ang ransom ni ate ces 15 milyon may pambili na sila ng watusi or granda no ano kaya kung nuclear bomb from iran o di ba sosyal...bakit ang mga kristiyano gustong makasama ang mga kapatid na muslim pero sila pilit inihiway ang mga sarili sa pilipino....isa lang ang masasabi ko ang pilipinas ay para sa mga pilipino at ang bangsamoro ay walang lugar dito at least maypambayad kayo kay ate glowey para lupa nyong gustong bilhin hhehehehe...ang tanong sino daw ang may kasalanan sa mga nangyayari ang sisihin nyo ay ang mga sarili nyong mga muslim at mga kristiyanong kulang sa pinag aralan kundi pirma ng pirma....alam nyo ba ang isang pirma ay pwedeng magbago ang mundo o ang buhay mo?......maraming salamat po....sssshhhh...wag kayong maingay nasa bahrain ako ngayon baka ipadampot ako dito pugutan pa ako nang leeg...opinyon lang po pero maykatotohanan yan......
writer was graduated at UE Caloocan bsba luke hoy bobo pa graduate graduate pa ka pero tingna mo iyong english mo. sana lahat ng tao katulad mo ay ikulong na ng sa ganon lahat ng mga bastos at walang etiquet sa pagssalita ay ma wala na.
My uncle and auntie are in midsayap.. Governor Pinol please give them something to protect their selves..
.. Fellow Christian .. you might die.. without fighting... it's better to die.. fighting.. coz we are armed with prayer but it is not enough this lunatic calling himself hashim salamat is a big liar. he cannot even use his own name. eto ang mga klase ng taong warfreaks dito at ayaw ng peace settlement. isa pa itong si mang lucas of UE caloocan bsba kuno, pumunta na nga sa isang muslim country para makapag-dildil ng broast chicken, e masama pa rin ang utak tungkol sa kanyang mga kapatid na muslim sa pilipinas. kung mga ganito ang paniniwalaan ng karamihang pilipino at magpapadala sa kanilang mga mala-asong ulol na pananaghoy, people who are so full of deceit, conceit at mga walang utang na loob, what can we expect nga naman? saan pupulutin ang bayan?
Bakit karamihan sa nakikisali rito mga mang mang sa sitwayon ng Mindanao?
Who among you said that we, muslims are not that peaceful in our respective society? If you are, then time for you to go home in Luzon or Visayas. Most if not all the xtians just migrated here in Mindanao... Yet, we want Peace but your giving us War. Is it a good idea to fight with us? Try to reconsider your arsenal... Why dont we chance for peace? War was never been a solution to a war? Achieving long lasting PEACE entails hardships and requires longer time. This is only a first step, yet most are closing the way to peace. The Rule of Law will prevail... even if the MOA is signed by everyone,, it will not be realized without complying the Constitutional Process... Kung di kau na consult sa MOA. ask the GRP.... Let's give PEACE a chance.... Yong mga taga Luzon at Visayas, DON'T Join HERE.... Dont pretend.. I am for Peace... and I can fight for Peace... You? Are you willing? I am for Peace... and I can fight for Peace...
Funny you should say that. Isn't that the way wars are started? and this? Yong mga taga Luzon at Visayas, DON'T Join HERE.... Maybe you should rethink the way you want to find peace. I am from Mindanao and so is my wife. It's comments like yours that give us a bad name and put us in a bad light as being "extremist". If you truly want peace look inwards and take the hate away. If we're not made perfect than let us try not to be fake and utter words of peace but are willing to go to war for. Look at our muslim brothers who are perishing at the hands of Americans in the name of what? Peace? Freedom? My friend this is not an US or THEM thing rather it is an I or You. I wish you inner peace. Allahu Akbar Taga mindanao ka by accident or by converted but you are not a moros because if you are a real moros you are not saying like that, extremist, etc. you are terorizing our right (the right like what east timor had) our land. Read this.
"The Bangsamoro people refer to “those who are natives or original inhabitants of Mindanao and its adjacent islands including Palawan and the Sulu archipelago at the time of conquest or colonization and their descendants whether mixed or full native blood.” now let me tell you, the conflict in mindanao is not about religion but about land. the land of promise. dont say allahu akbar. you are not the right person to say that.
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raul arroyo
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2008-08-08 01:23
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DAPAT ipatupad ng GLORIA ang ""OPERATION PHILIPPINES FREEDOM ""
para madurog na ang mga rebelding MILF na yan,bakit ang mga rebelding MILF ay may right na pumatay ng civilian.Kung d2 sa IRAQ OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM dapat sa pinas OPERATION PHILIPPINES FREEDOM naman para ma durog yang BANGSAMOROS,,,MOROS MOROS we have to accept the reality, mindanao is for muslim. yung mga christians ang nang-agaw ng lupain...alien lng cla s mindanao kung tutuusin, pero kung magsalita cla akala mo cla ang nagmamay ari. Kung ayaw nu ng BJE then u can go back to luzon and visayas.
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Razor
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2008-08-08 10:09
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Walang nakatatak na muslim ang mindanao, ang mga kristyano sa mindanao ay mga dati ring muslim, yan ang tatak mo sa isip mo.. anong sinasabi mo na pinapatay ng mga kano ang muslim? ang kapwa nyo muslim ang pumapatay sa mga kauri nyo.
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Lumads
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2008-08-08 17:23
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hoy conrad, di pa dumating ang islam sa mindanao, nandito na ang mga lumads. matagal na ang mga lumads naninirahan sa mindanao bago ang mga muslim.
kaya tumahimik na lang dyan...
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anakmoro
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2008-08-13 19:11
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lumads....
tama ka bago pa dumating ang islam sa pinas nanjan na mga lumads sa mindanao.... kaya lang nakalimotan mo sabihin kasama ng mga lomads sa mindanao ang mga tausog,maranao,maguindanown at iba pang tribong muslim. ang islam ay relihiyon ng mga muslim ang mga muslim ay tao...ibig sabihin nanjan na mga moros bago dumating ang islam ndi yong mga muslim(moro) jan ay kasabay na dumating ng islam...ano naintindihan mo ba kahit papaano.... I love the Philippines. It's saddening to think of the possibility that someday the Philippines will split. I really don't understand why GMA's administration is doing this. I am confused. I don't want to think that she is a shallow, dumb lady because I believe no president is. But given these happenings, I am inclined to changing my thoughts about her.
And a speculation. If the BJE will be established, wouldn't they join forces with Malaysia and other Islamic countries to invade the rest of Mindanao? I pray that i would not ever experience a life similar to the Jews, who don't have the sense of a nation, and don't have the permanent territory to settle in. It's because no matter how strong my love for my country is, I would leave the Philippines when the time of chaos will arrive. God bless everyone. Let's say our prayers. I love the Philippines. It's saddening to think of the possibility that someday the Philippines will split. I really don't understand why GMA's administration is doing this. I am confused. I don't want to think that she is a shallow, dumb lady because I believe no president is. But given these happenings, I am inclined to changing my thoughts about her.
And a speculation. If the BJE will be established, wouldn't they join forces with Malaysia and other Islamic countries to invade the rest of Mindanao? I pray that i would not ever experience a life similar to the Jews, who don't have the sense of a nation, and don't have the permanent territory to settle in. It's because no matter how strong my love for my country is, I would leave the Philippines when the time of chaos arrives. God bless everyone. Let's say our prayers. di pa ba enough ang ARMM which is dominantly muslims ang naninirahan para sa mga MILF?i wonder?bkit kailangan pa ng Expanded ARMM to hav the so called self determination?y not start muna sa present ARMM kng anu gusto nla(the MILF), improve muna nla ung ARMM ska na cla magexpand kng ganun na ka established ang region na yun..PEACE..
jst asking..sukran.. Im from Zamboanga City
a little info for everyone: Some of the parts of Zamboanga City that are included in the MOA are our zones 4 and 3.. inside zone 4 you can find most of our LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICES including our CITY HALL.. and guess what zone 3 is? zone 3 is our COMMERCIAL DISTRICT... and in here you can find the ATENEO de Zamboanga.. and also religious facilities including our CATHEDRAL.. just some things to ponder on.. also call for another plebiscite? hello.. as what "ineng" said, we did it TWICE! and MAJORITY of the people of Zamboanga City, whether they be christian or muslim, (or come from any cultural background, be it chinese, spanish, malay, samal, tausug, or any other culture), said NO! ..we already said NO twice what more do you want?.. once is ok.. twice is tolerable.. the third time? its too much.. this is my point of view you are free to say anything pro or against what i said Give back 2 bangsamoro people the lands that has taken from them!!
They wanted 2 practice theyre own islamic law..not the law based on the Phil. constitution...think of peace!!! anong "Give back 2 bangsamoro people the lands that has taken from them!!" mindanao doesn't belong to the bangsamoro in the first place!!
way before islam and christianity came to mindanao, the land already belonged to the lumads!! sila lang ang may karapatan sa mindanao!! So excuse me po!! mahiya kayo!! Sharia?? Polygamy, genital mutilations, chld brides, honor killing, cutting of extremities, beheading, death to apostates (no conversion to other religion), death to gay people, beating of wife, divorcing wife without support and children, niqab/burqa/hijab (ang init!), no education for women, no girls' school, no hospitals/clinics for women, no driving for women, no music, no sports, no television (no soap operas!), no dances, no malls, no movie houses, no bars, no video games, no dating/meeting of females/males in public, religious police, no birthday parties, no wedding anniversaries, no party per se ....
"....There are NO JOKES in Islam. There is NO HUMOR in Islam. There is NO FUN in Islam....." - Ayatollah Khomeini, 1979 Wow, no fun, boring!! Sige kayo na lang magpractice ng sariling n'yong batas. Sana 'wag nyo na lang kami isali... Dito na lang ako sa Philippine Constitution: (Preamble) We, the sovereign Filipino people, imploring the aid of Almighty God, in order to build a JUST and HUMANE society and establish a Government that shall embody our ideals and aspirations, promote the common good, conserve and develop our patrimony, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of INDEPENDENCE and DEMOCRACY under the RULE OF LAW and a regime of TRUTH, JUSTICE, FREEDOM, LOVE, EQUALITY, and PEACE, do ordain and promulgate this Constitution. O di ba mas bonggang-bonga!! ako poy nagpapasalamat sa GMANEWS na mabigyan ito ng daan para mailathala ang comment ko na ito.
Ang pamahalaang GLORIA ARROYO ay wala pog halaga kundi pahirap ka lang sa mga mamayang pilipino.Ano po gusto palabasin ng pamahalaan na papayagan nila ang MOA.Kahit ako makikipagdigma ako sa mga rebelding muslim na yan kasi hinde po na daan sa legal na paraan.Kung ang IRAQ AY MAY ÖPERATION IRAQ FREEDOM",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sana ang PINAS ay magkaroon din ng ""OPERATION PHILIPPINES FREEDOM"". GLORIA kung di kaya ng sandataang pilipinas ang mga rebelding muslim na yan. abay mag '"OPERATION PHILIPPINES FREEDOM KANA. AKO AY ISANG MUSLIM AY NINUNO KO AY ANG TUNAY NA MGA NANINIRAHAN SA MINDANAO BAGO PA MAN DUMATING ANG RELIHIYON NA ISLAM MGA NINUNO KO NA ANG NAKATIRA...
IBINIGAY NA NATIN ANG SABAH SA MALAYSIA KAHIT ANG USAPAN SA PAPARENTAHAN LAMANG (READ HISTORY OF SABAH AND RENTAL CONTRACT FROM MAHARLIKA) ANG MILF AY ISA LAMANG SA MGA TERRORISTA OO TERRORISTA SILA AKO MISMO MAKAKAPAGPATUNAY NYAN... AKO TUNAY NA MUSLIM PERO SILA MGA NON PRACTICING MUSLIM MADAMI AKONG ALAM SA KANILA PERO WALA NI ISA SA INYO ANG NAKIKINIG...MGA KAMAG ANAK KO PINATAY NG MGA HAYOP NA YAN DAHIL LAMANG SA AYAW NAMIN MAKIBAHAGI SA KALOKOHAN NILA WALA SILANG GINAWA KUNDI MANAKOT. WALA NA SANA ANG TERRORISMO NG MILF NUNG BINOMBA NOON NG PANAHON NI ERAP NUNG UNA GALIT AKO PERO NAKITA KO ANG PAG BABAGO... PINADAMA LAMANG NG GOBYERNO NA ANG GOBYERNO PA DIN ANG MAKAPANGYARIHAN.. PERO NGAYON ANO NA IBINALIK NI GLORIA ANG MGA KAMPO AT ANIMO'Y SUNUDSUNURAN TAYO SA KANILA.... BAKIT TAYO MAKIKINIG SA IBANG BANSA NA ANG HANGAD LAMANG AY MAKAPASOK SA BANSA NATIN ANG KAWALANGHIYAAN NILA... ANG AL QUIDA AY NASA MINDANAO NA SUSUNOD ANG HIHILINGIN NA NG MGA GAGO NA MILF AY ANG BUONG PILIPINAS NA... AKO MISMA AY MAG AAKLAS NA... IPAG LALABAN KO ANG BAYAN KO... DI AKO PAPAYAG NA PASAKOP SA MGA GAGO NA YAN LALO NA SA MILF NA YAN... PASENSYA NA PO SA MGA NASABI KO PERO MADAMI NA PO NAMATAY SA AMING ANGKAN PERO NI MEDIA HINDI MAN LANG NAKALABAS AT LALO NAMAN NA DAHIL SA MILF NA YAN NA AKALA MO KUNG UMASTA EH SILA ANG GOBYERNO... SAYANG LANG ANG TAX KO NA BINABAYARAN Now, let's say, BJE wants some parts of Luzon? or the Visayas, perhaps? would GRP be willing to negotiate? Why would the government still give in to this issue when in fact some of the areas affected had already spoken in previous plebescite? They said, "NO!". In pilipino, "AYAW!". Mahirap bang intindihin ang statement na ,yan?
Another scenario, what if the CAR (Cordillera Autonomous Region) also wants to have their own MOA complete with economic, international, political, military etc. mandates?? Will the government grant them their wish?? Mga Ifugao, oborigines sila as in original (complete with costumes!! hehehe!!) di lang sila settlers, seafarers, invaders, rebels, etc.
Wow, ang ganda, gawa din kaya mga Bisaya, Kampampangan, Ilonggo, Ilocano, Panggalatok, Cebuano, etc. ng sariling states/Moa nila?? O kaya palitan na lang natin RP to CRP/XRP Christian/Xtian Republic of the Philippines para sa mga Xtian, ano kaya sa mga Moro?? Suggest nga kayo, maganda kaya Bangsamorostan, Bangsamorosia, Bangsamoromed, ewan ko, bahala na kayo mag-isip ng pangalan ng bansa n'yo. Ok na ko sa Republika ng Pilipinas!! Peace, freedom, and respect of religion to all!! Not just tolerance. Read the headlines "MILF AGREES TO PULL OUT ITS FORCES".
See, the statement of EID KABALU yesterday were all full of lies, deciet and Bullshit!!! If not for the Media and Vice-Governor Piñol, the MILF terrorist would continue to terrized the people of North Cotabato. Now, we proved that they are good only on talking and bluffing. Let the Goverment set a new terms and conditions in order to attained peace, in one condition that not a single land will be occupied by the terrorist MILF and surrender all their arms. Without ifs and but. lets us be vigilant in their next move, they cannot be trusted.. Let the armed forces of the Philippines and the Philippine National Police hunt those responsible terrorist members of the MILF, who terrorized the peaceful community of North Cotabato, those who burn and pillage the houses of the innocent civilian there. let the laws of the Republic of the Philippines takes care of those terrorist group. May god Bless us all. GUSTO KO LANG IDAGDAG NGAYON ANG GUSTONG IPATUPAD NG GOBYERNO DITO SA AMING LUGAR.... BAWAL NA KAMI MAGTANGGOL SA AMING SARILI BAWAL KAMI HUMAWAK NG ARMAS
PERO ANG MILF PWEDE HUMAWAK NG ARMAS NASAAN ANG AMING HUMAN RIGHTS PAG KAMI NAMATAY KUNG TUTUUSIN DAPAT KULONG NA SILA DAHIL ANG DAMI NA NILA NILABAG SA MATA NI ALLAH AT SA KAMAY NG BATAS. ARMADO SILA MADAMI NA PINATAY PERO ANO GOBYERNO PA ANG SULSOL SA KANILA AT SILA PA ANG PAKIKINGGAN... WAG SANA HAYAAN NG GOBYERNO NA KAMI NA ORDINARYONG MAMAMAYAN NA NAGBABAYAD NG BUWIS AT NAG PAPASAHOD SA GOBYERNO ANG MAG HASIK NG KARAHASAN... KUNG KAMI AAPAKAN AT PAPASAKOP GAGAWIN DIN NAMIN ANG GINAWA NG AMING MGA NINUNO alam niyo mga pre,kaya gumigitna ang malaysia sa usapin n yan kase once n maestablish ang BJE at magkaroon ng sariling pamahalaan may laya n ang malaysia n hawakan ang mindanao which is really rich in oil,,,teka nga bat b na nakikialam ang ibang bansa sa internal affairs natin? muslim man ang mga nasa mindanao still pilipino pa rin sila kaya dapat hawak at nasa ilalim pa rin sila ng batas ng pilipinas tama b? yung mga malaysian n at yung mga pakikialam about nila sa treaty yan lang ang nagpapahirap at nagpapabagal ng kapayapaan natin..panay ang pirma ng bobong si gloria sa mga treaty n yan or kasunduan kung saan nakikisawsaw ang malaysia at iba pang islamic countries kaya ang daming restrictions or rights n hindi pwedeng ikilos against those terrorists..haaaay, how much kaya ang kikitain ng mga asong gutom sa pera... total eradication lang sa mga teroristang yan ang kailangan para matupad ang kapayapaan..hanggat anjan ang mga yan walang mangyayari sa pilipinas...dapat sa mga nagsusulong ng BJE i firing squad natin sa smokey mountain at ibaon sa basura..sila ang mga taong basura sa pilipinas..Eid kabalu,hashim salamat mga bakla kayo ni hindi nga ata kayo lumalaban pag nag gegera,anjan lang kayo nakaupo habang ang mga kapatid niyong muslim n pwersahan niyong nirecruit para makidigma ang nagsasayang ng buhay nila para sa pansarili niyong interest,dapat kayo ang unang mamatay para hindi n nmin makita pa ang mga kasinungalingan nyo..at kay esperon n malaki ang kikitain,at sa mga nagsusulong ng BJE pugutan sana kayo ng ulo dahil mali ang pagkakalagay ng ulo niyo,,tingnan lang natin once n hindi n si gloria ang presidente at wala n kayong kapangyarihan sa pamahalaan sa panahon ngayon sanglibo lang katapat mo.
To Eid kabalu and his terrorist thugs in the MILF. Wake up, because your dreamland will never come true. The citizen of this great Republic will not permit you to establish a separate state. We will not allow that the Republic of the Philippines will be divided into small ethnic and cultural states. The Land of this republic belongs and owned by "FILIPINOS", regardless cultures, dialect, traditions and religion.
This present administration is dragging our country into civil war,, thinking and analizing the implications of this things.... The citizen of this country is not ignorant, we will not easily submit to every proposal you want to feed on usn especially this so called MOA for the creation of the dreamland of the terrorist MILF. We have a weak leader, but we should not let our guard down for this terrorist want to take advantage of the situations. Where in the world will you find a terrorist group are the one's setting the terms and conditions in the Agreement.. Yes! only in the Philippines... President Erap, where are you now?! We need you to remind this present administration who is right suffering from amnesia or act to have one, to let them know that as a commander-in-chief of this land they should be the one protecting our people and territory against foriegn and domestics enemy of this states, this is the mandate of the constitution. Instead, they are offering our land in a silver platter to the terrorist MILF without even a fight... Only in the Philippines....We are losing track of this...what a heck! Listen to cry and agony of those innocent civilian in the North Cotabato that recently have been harrass, burned their houses and pillages their livestocks and livehood. This terrorist MILF have no place in this peaceful country. If the MILF wants a new states and they want to govern thier own followers, this civilized country is not a place for them, they are suitable in the planet Mars were they can do what they want to do, even they kill one another \, nobody cares for them and no one will be affected... Eid Kabalu and to all your terrorist thugs in the MILF. Common grab the opportunity.. the Planet Mars is for Free..... HEY!! MR. #123.1 IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.!!!!. THAT FOUL WORDS THAT COMES FROM YOUR AWFUL MOUTH AND IN YOUR MORON MIND.. WOULD YOU MIND TO PLS SHUT UP!.. YOU ARE UNUSABLE PERSON.....THROW YOUR IDEA IN THE GARBAGE....
ITO OPINION LAMANG:
tong BJE na to design lamang ng kasalukuyang namumuno para sa kanilanbg sariling interest...to extend their term of office...pagbigyan nila ang kapritsuhan ng MILF, paamuhin nila at biglang sakalin ang mga ito ng sa ganun, gaganti ang MILF, kaya magkarun ng giyera sa mindanao, ito rin ang kanilang magiging dahilan to declare state of emergency... d ba kayo nagtataka?.. c esperon na dati naassign sa mindanao during all out of war against MILF, nakikibaka para mapulbos ang MILF, bakit sa ngayun, biglang lumiko ang ihip ng hangin..... kasi,mayrun visted interest....to have power, and money....negosyo kc tong giyera eh..... ....kung matino kang tao, gusto m b ng giyera?...esperon, makonsinsya ka sana!!!!!!! anonymous, that sounds true for bapa jun mercado... look at his beard hehehe. bapa, da ka mambo kaliangat ha... bapa may have serious, sincere, genuine intention and hope for this small group of lawless elements (milf) and their relatives to live normally and in peace hopefully with others of different cultures, that's why he looks like he's their(milf) "advocate". but the question is, is this small group of lawless elements feel and think and pray/wish for, the same way he and other hopefuls do for the betterment of all people in mindanao? pls. don't take any chance! you may be supporting them of their "cause", but do you think they are sincere in their "good" dealings/talks? have they truly struggled for a good cause or just for their mere selfish interest? look at how they have caused lots of troubles to christians and muslims alike in their supposed peaceful humble living just to get what they wanted? have some deep discernment before you fully give your total support to them, otherwise you're missing to attend to the real call for peace by these helpless, voiceless, peace-loving people of mindanao. thanks bapa.
pre si esperon dapat ang unang una nating ilagay sa kanyon kung magkagera man,,,alam n kase ni gloria n hindi sya mananalo sa eleksyon at lahat ng gabinete niya eh maaalis sa pwesto once n matalo sya,kaya takot ang mga yan n mawalw si gloria lalo n yung mga kumikita ng milyun milyun araw araw,,si esperon hindi niya nmn talaga pinulbos ang MILF nakipag patintero lang sya,,di b umiyak yan nung sinabi ni gloria n hindi n sya tatakbo bilang presidente,kase hindi sya kumita ng milyun nung AFP commander plang sya,now plang sya nagkakamal ng milyun kaya ganun,,bobo nmn yun eh ewan ko b lahat ng bobo niluklok ni gloria para lang mahawakan niya ang lahat ng sangay ng pamahalaan..dapat ang mga retired military n yan hindi n binibigyan ng pwesto sa pamahalaan..ibigay nila sa taong mas may alam,dapat multi tasking n tao yung may pinag aralan at may sariling paninindigan,hindi yang si asong esperon n ang lam lang eh dumila at iwagayway ang buntot sa amo niyang si gloria,may bitiw kn esperon wala kang delikadesa,masahol kp sa mga magnanakaw,
I'm a Christian and have been living in Mindanao since 1981 and I have never been in conflict with any Muslim.
But this DISCRIMINATION thing that some Muslims are insisting is just too hard for me to swallow! I personally think that the DISCRIMINATION against Muslims is only a product of their overly wild imaginations! Here in Zamboanga City 1. a lot of Muslims are holding high government positions. Is that discrimination? 2. Muslims and Christians go to the same schools (yes, even in Christian schools) and I know of so many who graduate at the top of their class. Is that discrimination? 3. Even if the city's population is predominantly Christians, the Muslims are welcome to live in the city, anywhere that they want. I even admire the beautiful mansions of some Muslims here, to the point of feeling a twinge of envy everytime I pass by one. Are they discriminated here? I DON'T THINK SO! If Muslims were discriminated in Asia's Latin City: 1. Muslim employees would have remained at the rank-and-file status from the moment they were employed up to the time they retire, even if they are better qualified for a higher position. 2. Muslim students would have been refused enrollment in any of the schools here in the city, much less given top honors in their class. 3. Muslims would have been charged some kind of fee if they wish to reside in the city and/or put up a business here, or worst, asked to convert to Christianity to earn their residence. Just a few days ago, a letter was circulating in the city address to the Christian population of Basilan. It said that Basilan is of the Muslims so Christians in the province should either leave or convert to Islam. If they won't convert, they have to pay some kind of tax so they would be left alone. Now "exactly" WHO'S DISCRIMINATING WHO? Mindanao = Former Yugoslavia (Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Kosovo, etc)
huwag naman nyu sisihin c Sir Esperon magaling yan n sundalo alam nya anu ngyayari s ground, alam nya anung lakas ng MILF atska AFP. eh kung kaya ubusin ang MILF hindi n mag peace talks barilin sila lahat e cnu p kalaban pero wala kelangan mag peace talks kc yun ang sulotion s problema.
peace, bedzc@yahoo.com how pity you are. you are the only person in this planet admiring Mr. esperon.. His more brawl than brain.. he is one of the puppet ofiicial in the present Government, thats the truth and thats the reality. he only wants to make impression to the temporary sitting, lame duck and bitch president. Go to hell.
Are you saying that the MILITARY is afraid of the MILF.. hey, review your history, when President Estrada ordered the all out offensives against the Terroris MILF in Camp Abubakar, Camp Bushra, CAmp Bilal your leader HAshim Salamat and Eid Kabayo, Este kabalu pla, along with MILF terrorists run like a hell and abandoned When the Scout Rangers and the Marines overrun this camps, and they have joined the civilian in order to avoid detection... mga duwag at mga walang bayag.. your good only on talking ang bluffing.. enough of this psychological warfare bullshit of yours. If only this present administration have the guts to pulverized these terrorist MILF thugs... they will do.. My only hope that this present administration will not submit to the demand of the Terrorist. If this happen we will opposed this dreamland of the Thugs in the strongest term.... this is not a conflict of Christian and Muslim, this is all about territorial integrity... We need right now the People like Erap Estrada, Maj. Gen. Miranda, Brig. Gen Lim and the Magdalos.. this people are the true patriots and defender of the rights of those oppressed. We need them if we want to quell this Terrorist MILF... Mabuhay ko Sir... like waht i have said and i reiterate this ones' more If the MILF wants a new states and they want to govern thier own followers, this civilized country is not a place for them, they are suitable in the planet Mars were they can do what they want to do, even they kill one another \, nobody cares for them and no one will be affected... Eid Kabalu and to all your terrorist thugs in the MILF. Common grab the opportunity.. the Planet Mars is for Free..... tingnan nyo,how do people behave in maguindanao:
MAGELCO ( MAGUINDANAO ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE ), naputulan ng kuryente ng NAPOCOR..bkt cla naputulan, kc d cla nakabayad sa NAPOCOR..bkt d cla nakabayad sa NAPOCOR? kc, maraming illegal connection,magnanakaw at kaunti lang ang bumabayad sa member consumer nla..pag putulan ang member consumer nila ng linya ...napaka violente nla...ang sisiga...lumalabas ang baril...kung ikaw ang empleyado ng MAGELCO,itutuloy m p b ang pamumutol sa mga delinquent member consumer?... ...ganito b ang gusto mangyari ng gobyernong ito?..... ...kayong mga MILF,,sariling interest nyo lng ang iniisip nyo...wag nyo na kaming idamay sa mga kalokohan nyo...san b ang hustisya pag nasa inyong lugar?..may trial court b dun.... KUNG TALAGANG MATATAPANG KAYO YUNG SABBAH ANG I-CLAIM NYO MAS MALAKI YUN AT MAS MAYAMAN
PAGTULUNGAN NYO NG GOBYERNO AT DUN NYO IPANGALANDAKAN ANG ANCESTRAL DOMAIN NA YAN NA AYON SA KASAYSAYAN AY NABILI NA NG SULTAN NG SULU YANG SABBAH OH BAKIT ! TAKOT KAYO ! KASI MAS MALAKAS ANG MALAYSIA KESA SA PINAS Hey, if you want tleave there go for it and nobody cares, bring all the the terrorist group there like the Abusayaf's, MNLF's and the MILF's thugs along with you. We dont need a kind of person like you here in this great country. the Sabah claim is not an issue for now..
the important right now is that those Terrorist MILF will not be able to divide the land of this Republic and have there own separate state. They are dreaming.. in thier own dreamland... MINDANAO belongs to the FILINO people regardless of their race, dialect, culture and religion... No group or disciples of evils will able to succeed in separating Mindanao from the Republic of the Philippines.. not in your wildest dream.... Yeng hindi mas malakas ang malaysia sa pinas, mas mabait lang talaga ang pinas. kahit kaaway na, may damdamin pa rin para sa mga kalaban. yan ang itinuro ni hesus sa atin.
kahit sila marcos nga andito pa din, kung sa malaysia sila.. baka na firing squad na mga yan.. so talagang mapag-bigay lang talaga ang pilipino. ito ang inaabuso ng mga milf, ang pagiging pasensyonso nating mga pilipino. pero ang pasensya, nauubos din pag dating ng panahon... wag kayong maniwala sa mga report na lumalabas sa balita tungkol sa mga "skirmish", "gunbattles", "putukan", etc. madalas wala namang nangyaring putukan o bakbakan. paminsan may putukan pero pinlano na ng magkabilang panig na kunwaring magpapaputok. kaya madalas sa mga balita walang namamatay o nasusugatan man lang. kasi pakitang tao lang ito sa media.
kung tutuhanin ng militar ang bakbakan at giyera, madaling matalo ang milf sa ilang linggo lang. nakita natin ito nung panahon ni erap nung all out war niya. mahigit 50 na mga kampo ay madaling na over-run sa ilang linggong bakbakan. kaya lang, pag naubos na ang kalaban, wala na ring budget para sa afp. kaya ayaw ng gubiyerno maubos ang kalaban. kaya kami rito ay bilib pa rin sa mahal naming erap. I WARN ALL THE MINDANAONS that this is another strategy of the muslim people (MILF). Let us remember how they demand the creation of ARMM. After they were given their request, here we are now, they want to expand once again their interest. This is not the only interest these MILFs want, they want to cover the whole Mindanao as their own territory and this will absolutely happen, if not now, maybe in the following years to come. Let us protect the interest of Mindanaoan People. LET US FIGHT THESE TERRORISTS TO THE BEST WE CAN, LET US ARM OURSELVES AND FIGHT BACK. LET US NOT EXPECT THE HELP OF OUR GOVERNMENT, IT IS CLEAR, THEY ALREADY SOLD US TO THE TERRORISTS MILF....
LET US ALL FIGHT FOR MINDANAO!!! LET US ALL FIGHT FOR MINDANAO!!! LET US ALL FIGHT FOR MINDANAO!!! LET US ALL FIGHT FOR MINDANAO!!! LET US ALL FIGHT FOR MINDANAO!!! TAMA KA PARE KAISA MO AKO...LET'S KILL THEM ALL!!RECRUIT MO AKO PAG MAY HIRING...
teka lang mga pinoy..este mga bobo..bakit ba panay mura nyo kay GMA?hindi ba kau nagluklok sa kanya?hahaha..bakit panay mura nyo sa MORO? ano ba pinagmamalaki nyo,c pacquiao?ano ba ang pinas nyo sa mundo? kuto lang kayo..hahahahahahahaha
at ikaw,. buti pa kuto alam kung san dadako. e ikaw isang baboy wlang silbi. sarap mong katayin at ipakain sa mga pating....wla kang silbi..
teka lang mga moro, este mga barbarong bobo. sino ba pinagmamalaki nyo? si bin laden? na nakatago sa kweba? labas nyo si bin laden kung talagang matapang bayani nyo! ang mga bayani nyo, mga mamatay tao
Kung matapang kayo tlaga.. labanan nyo mga sundalo namin.. mga duwag at mga walang bayag. matagling lng kayo sa bluff at ingay.. tingnan nyo mga kasama nyo sina janjalani, abu sabaya, at iba inuod sa cementeryo.. susunod na yan c Eid Kabalu at mga terroristang MILF. Pgmapalitan na si GLOria Sa 2010.. makikita nyo mgtago na kayo, uulanin namin kayo ng mga artillery ng mga Marines at uubusin kayo ng mga Scout Ranger namin. tulad ng nangyari nang ngdeclara si pangulong Erap na lipulin kayo.. Ano ginawa nyo.. nauna pa kayo tumakbo....ang bilis nga eh..yun ba ang matatapang.. mga duwag at mga wlang bayag kayo.
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ONE CLASSIc example of the cowardice of this MILF terrorist. When they learn that the military will initiate an action and they are really serious with it within 24 hours period, the MILF Terrorist immediately panic and withdraw from their occupation from those villages. It a sign that the MILF is weak force... This big liar Spokesperson of the Terrorist MILF Eid Kabalu told the media that they are repositioning themselves.. enough of this crap!! You are withdrawing because you are afraid of our Armed Forces.... mga Duwag at mga walang bayag.. They do not to happen the experience they had when president Estrada calls the Dogs of war (Marines and Scout Ranger) to extinguished the Terrorist MILF.. my God that event is still fresh in my mind..much more with EID KABALU and his diciples of evils, I bet they vividly remember that..THey hide in the tunnel like a pack of rat...My God the terrorist MILF are like an awful stench of bad breath..empty can makes a loud noise..If you are really brave and called yourself a warrior make your first shot...
If only this admistration is determined to get rid of this Terrorist we would endure a long lasting peace in Mindanao....Huwahhh!!!! ONE CLASSIc example of the cowardice of this MILF terrorist. When they learn that the military will initiate an action AGAINST THE TERRORIST MILF and they recognized how serious is the demand that within 24 hours period they should withdraw from the villages of North Cotabato, the MILF Terrorist immediately panic and withdraw their forces from the villages they occupied. this is a sign that the MILF is weak force... This big liar Spokesperson of the Terrorist MILF Eid Kabalu told the media that they are repositioning themselves.. enough of this crap!! You are withdrawing because you are afraid of our Armed Forces.... mga Duwag at mga walang bayag.. They do not like to happen again the sad experiences they had when president Estrada calls the Dogs of war (Marines and Scout Ranger) to extinguished the Terrorist MILF from their enclaves and camps.. my God that event is still fresh in my mind..much more with EID KABALU and his diciples of evils, I bet they vividly remember that..THey hide in the tunnel like a pack of rat...My God the terrorist MILF are like an awful stench of bad breath..empty can makes a loud noise..If the terrorist MILF are really brave and you called yourself a warriors make your first shot.and let us see.. you will regret you actions..
to hell with the dreamland of the terrorist MILF.. NO to "BJE" If only this admistration is determined to get rid of this Terrorist we would endure a long lasting peace in Mindanao....Huwahhh!!!! I REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY OH WHY THIS "TERRORIST GROUP" GIVEN THIS KIND OF BULLSHIT BY THE GOV'T!!!!NO NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE TERRORISTS!!!!ARMM IS ENOUGH!!!AYAW NA DUGANGI AMONG KALBARYO FATHER MERCADO!!!
BOBONG GOBYERNO NATIN!!!MGA MUKHANG PERA!!!PUTANG INA NYO!!! MGA TERRORISTA BINIGYAN NG KAPANGYARIHAN NG GOBYERNO NG PILINAS!!!!BULLSHITTTT!!!
You all wrong the Philippine Goverment does not acknowledge MILF as Terrorist only the New Peoples Army (NPA) is acknowledge as Terrorist...
Correct me if I am wrong.. THEY ARE TRRORIST IN THE STRICT SENSE.. AND IT IS UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED.
Look what are they doing terrorizing the innocent civilian, burning their homes, stealing thier lives stocks.. my God it crystal clear this action is the act of barbarians, uncivilized and uncultured people... Only planet mars are available to them.. if they want their own state, this civilized society are not suited for them.. to the supporters of the terrorist MILF and ther thugs followers.. Planet Mars is available for you, you can govern it and have a separate state of your own. you can even implement your laws their, or even kill your own species, who cares anyway.. common miko, joined the group to thugs,,, and tell them your DREAMLAND is only a product of your imagination...it will never come true.. We want peace but not on this terns and conditions... this MOA Creating the dreamland of the MILF is full of shit and we opposed this thing or animal IN THE STRONGEST TERM!!!!! TO HELL WITH THE TERRORIST MILF AND THEIR FOLLOWERS... SALOT KAYO SA MINDANAO!!! hahahaha.... I won't support any of this hashim ... I believe it is only a trick from malacanang.. madam's plan , we really don't know...
but I am not Pro MILF ... I just wan't to see the big picture.. the issue itself or the hidden issue... To Hell with them... but the hell is with us now... tingnan mo atras na agad sila.. parang naglalaro lang ng taguan... bobo din naman ang military natin.. kun di pa nagreklamo c gov. pinol wala ring gagawin... at di ko masabi kung bobo nga ang gobyerno natin... tingnan natin pagkatapos Go to YOUTUBE.COM panoorin niyo si Jeff Dunham Achmed the Dead Terrorist
Sobrang NAKAKATAWA!!!!! FUNNY TO THE MAX!!! 72 virgins!! eh kung 72 MALE virgins ang sasalubong sayo at lalake ka????? YARI!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Ancestral Domain????????
wala pang mga muslim dito sa mindanao mga LUMADS na ang mga nakatira dito!!!! Mindanao pare-pareho lng kayong bubo. cnu bang pinagmamalaki nu... oo, marahil sa tingin nyo succesful ang all out war ni erap n pinagmamalaki nyo, pero dhil don s ginawa nya s mga moro ay nakarma sya, mas malaking kahihiyan sa bayan ang sinapit nia. kung d nya lng giniyera ang milf noon, sna ntpos p ang termino nia. i dont think all out war were succesful as what u think...as evidence buhay p rin ang milf at parami ng parami. Mas bubo p kau kay ate glo kung tutuusin. ayaw kc nyang matulad kay erap na makarma... Ang gagaling nu lng magdakdak dhil hndi kau ang nasa bakbakan...subukan nu kya sumali s barilan, bka isang putok plang tatakbo n kau. Tama ka miko, government doesnt acknowledge milf as terorist...alam kc nla na ang pinaglalaban ng milf. Matagal ng alam ng gobyerno na tama ang mga muslim s knilang pinaglalaban...hndi lng mabitawan ng gobyerno ang mindanao dhil sa langis s ligawasan marsh. natatakot lng ang gobyerno na ibigay ang mindanao dhil s takot na mas magtatagumpay ito dhil s taglay nitong resources. mkikita nu, under BJE mindanao will grow economically like other muslim nations...taglay kc nito ang yaman ng langis.
just pray for peace.... "under BJE mindanao will grow economically like other muslim nations"?
lahat ng muslim nations kasama saudi at malaysia, banana republic. kung di lang naimbento ng mga kristyano at israelita ang kotse, baka ubos na sila ngayon. hirap na hirap na magsinungaling mga muslim kasi naimbento na ang internet. marami pa tayo maiimbento, tulad ng pano gawin mas "safe" at efficient ang eroplano... samantala milf and party, busy na busy kung pano magpabagsak ng eroplano. Nabasa ko lang GWP/GDP ng Middle East countries only equals that of Spain!!
Mayaman lang ang mga oil-riched countries dahil sa oil-revenues and most of the corporations are owned by foreigners or foreign partnerships lang. Foreigners/foreign workers ang may alam sa oil extraction at oil exploration. Sila ang may technology. Naghihintay lang ng biyaya ang mga Muslim nation na sinasabi n'ya. Buti na lang may renewable energy at nag-iisip pa ng ibang energy sources other than oil/diesel. Tumaas ang oil, tumaas din ang costs of food and commodities. Problema ng mga Middle East countries, wala na silang makain dahil halos lahat ng pagkain nila imported sa ibang bansa at ayaw ng mag-export ng iba for food security. What if naubos ang langis at hindi na naging dependent ang world economy sa oil??? You're right Hashim salamat... MILF are rebels who terrorize mindanao.
If The Govt can't protect the filipino people from this rebels.... It's time for the filipino people to armed and depend themselves from this rebels... Plain and simple!
It's against christians versus muslims...y? Bangsamoro are only for muslims, and in BJE christians will be compelled to move out on their land which they leave since their forefathers is leaving. Where's the justice? There is peace in major areas in Mindanao, except where MILFs are...is not the entity of Mindanao should be change, it's our fucking Government!! And fuck the MILF, how many more christians lives they will spare?....fuck them!! Sabi nila matatapang daw ang mga muslim??!
Eh bakit kung lulusob ang militar bigla silang mag-ppeace talk, tapos kun wla na ang threat, guerilla tactics naman sila gaya ng pagpugot nila sa 10 na marines. istilo din yan ng npa. mga duwag! Tapos pag may militar na uurong naman sila. matapang ba yan? I say, its time to end this.. eradicate all the rebels!!!!!!!! To all Mindanaoans and Filipinos concerned:
Didn't you ever wonder... ...Why the U.S. removed the MILF from its terrorist list? ...Why the U.S. Navy, Army and Marines still has a strong but quiet contingent in areas throughout Western Mindanao but never engages in any firefight with the MILF despite the close proximity? ...Why Ambassador Kristie Kenney unnecessarily visited an MILF stronghold a few weeks ago? ...Why the United States government wouldn't allow the Philippines Armed Forces to go on a full scale war against the MILF? ...Why the US goverment heavily invested in General Santos City's infrastructure (international airport, highways, etc) without a clear source of return on capital expenditure? ...Why a planned 3-part episode of Mike Enriquez' Imbestigador covering the U.S. military's and the CIA's presence in Mindanao was cut short to only an episode a few years ago? ...Why the powers that be (both the U.S. and Philippine governments) aren't really serious in developing Mindanao? ...Why the U.S. is strongly but quietly supporting this MOA-BJE? Hydrocarbons. Pure, unadulterated crude oil. The lifeblood of the developed nations. Without which, the economies of the first world will collapse. Sulu Sea has very abundant oil deposits under its seabed. Discovered by the Americans almost two decades ago, deliberate and cautious planning was done to maintain the instability the Americans needed to create misdirection while they drill the oil offshore. Oil is of the utmost strategic importance for both the American government and, to an extent, to the Philippine government. The MILF or the so called "war" in Mindanao is of no importance to the powers that be as long as drilling of oil is not interfered with. I hope this gives everyone a new and different perspective. I hope no one gets hurt. It's just business. Thanks and best regards, Dan Some helpful readings: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/june/19/yehey/opinion/20080619opi4.html http://ptlavina.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/us-hand-in-mindanao/ ano ba ang basehan ng ancestral domain? relihiyon ba o yung mga tribo o grupo ng mga taong naninirahan sa mga lugar na ito mula pa noon? di pwedeng basehan ay relihiyon dahil sa di lang naman mga muslim ang nananinirahan sa mga lugar na ito...di ko maintindihan ang takbo ng utak ng gobyerno at mga taong inatasan sa peace negotiation....sino ba ang di gusto ng katahimikan sa mindanao? pero matatapos ba ang mga kaguluhan after bje? nagkaroon na ng peace agreement sa mnlf....pagkatapos lumabas ang milf na humihingi din ng negosasyon sa gobyerno....ano pa bang grupo ang lalabas after milf? i dont think the milf speaks for all the filipino muslim
dear brother muslims and christians dont throw words which nothing to help to our goverment. let challenge the government to be strong enough not to become coward just 4 an amount rebells people. BJE is not the solution of peace. im purely maranao im not agree of BJE. no rebellion if their is fair governance. KAYONG MGA BUWAYANG LEADER ANG DAHILAN NG REBELLION. MY PORK BAREL NA KAYO AT IBA PANG BENIFITS TAPOS NANGONGORAKOT PA KYO AT KAYO PA ANG HINDI NGBABAYAD NG BOWIS. SANA HINDI DIDININIGIN S KURTE ANG MGA KASO NG MGA TIWALING OPISYAL SANA PAPATAYIN NA YAN SILA PARA FAIR.
The conflict in these region has been going on for decades without even a subtle hint of ending it.
Different president have come and gone in no time, but, it seems like every time the government would try different things to improve the life of these people, they usually would do the opposite, that is, the lives of people in that region to get even worse. I was beginning to think, that, perhaps, some big name international corporation were already thinking of what they could get out of this vast region as soon as the paper has been singed and all. The only think that i can say is, poor people, they don't even know what's going to happen to them especially when all the hooplas and lavish parties have ended and they were just watching the fairy dust all but disappeared in the dark. Another scenario when they get bamboozled yet another time by the government. Wow! shoot me if you must! The question that was really starting to irritate me was, have they been told of what's going to happen when they leave their land? and if so, where they are going to be relocated? How about letting these people know exactly what the government is offering in terms of protecting the so called "ancestral lands". I say, go on with what you have been fighting for, up the ante a little bit, get what you want and stay on that land as long as you want.Let no one else tell you otherwise. In other words, fight for the only right you have right now, that is, live peacefully and graciously without anyone telling you how and where you're supposed to do it. I could feel the pain going on with these people, having poked at, prodded so many times by the government to leave that region and yet, ironically it seems, the only people helping them now are the neighboring muslim countries like libya and the likes of it. Why is that? you're going to ask me, well, was there any major help from the government when ever they have famine each year? Oh, i wasn't talking about just this year, i was talking about a few centuries ago! Just a thought. i hav talked to a friend muslim one is though educated but radical the other one is professionally educated.the radical one is very much favor to the BJE bcoz they can do watever they want to the fact that he said that he will put a checkpoint covered by his land to collect taxes and whoever wont abide will be punished.
the professional one told me that he personally doesnt want this BJE this will only benefit those who are already in power and even worst those uneducated muslims who doesnt understand the MOA(drafted in english) would think that because of this BJE they hav already the right to control these territories and may cause the conflict between the christians. the only thing here i understand is, not all bangsamoros are infavor with this BJE. why does the government did not use the media to inform us all?does the GRP and MILF hiding what is written in this MOA?lets be transparent not all filipinos are literate its a fact.how can be peace be achieved if the solution they brought to us will only be the another cause for the conflict... taga mindanao, kawawa ang civilian sa north cotabato kinuha na ng military ang mga armas, nayon pa naman kailangan nila ng armas dahil malapit ang kalaban. mukha sadya ng government ito. Ito ba ang sinasabi nilang walang dapat ikabahala, ginawa na naman negosyo ni gloria ang mindanao.
anonymous # 151.
pre may punto ka...bkt c bapa eliseo mercado OMILF, pabor na pabor sa BJE... To all Mindanaoans and Filipinos concerned:
Didn't you ever wonder... ...Why the U.S. removed the MILF from its terrorist list? ...Why the U.S. Navy, Army and Marines still has a strong but quiet contingent in areas throughout Western Mindanao but never engages in any firefight with the MILF despite the close proximity? ...Why Ambassador Kristie Kenney unnecessarily visited an MILF stronghold a few weeks ago? ...Why the United States government wouldn't allow the Philippines Armed Forces to go on a full scale war against the MILF? ...Why the US goverment heavily invested in General Santos City's infrastructure (international airport, highways, etc) without a clear source of return on capital expenditure? ...Why a planned 3-part episode of Mike Enriquez' Imbestigador covering the U.S. military's and the CIA's presence in Mindanao was cut short to only an episode a few years ago? ...Why the powers that be (both the U.S. and Philippine governments) aren't really serious in developing Mindanao? ...Why the U.S. is strongly but quietly supporting this MOA-BJE? Hydrocarbons. Pure, unadulterated crude oil. The lifeblood of the developed nations. Without which, the economies of the first world will collapse. Sulu Sea has very abundant oil deposits under its seabed. Discovered by the Americans almost two decades ago, deliberate and cautious planning was done to maintain the instability the Americans needed to create misdirection while they drill the oil offshore. Oil is of the utmost strategic importance for both the American government and, to an extent, to the Philippine government. The MILF or the so called "war" in Mindanao is of no importance to the powers that be as long as drilling of oil is not interfered with. I hope this gives everyone a new and different perspective. I hope no one gets hurt. It's just business. FROM TRUTH: Thanks and best regards, Dan Some helpful readings: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/june/19/yehey/opinion/20080619opi4.html http://ptlavina.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/us-hand-in-mindanao/ Wala na talagang magawa ang gobyerno ni Gloria. This administration has zero credibility. Magagaling lahat sa cabinet magsalita pero walang integridad, wala ring foresight sa mga issues ng bansa. Reactionary. This MOA that this administration is entering into is the last straw na nagpapahirap sa mga pinoy. At titiisin natin until 2010?
bakit kaya galit ang mga christian s mga muslim lalo pag my hinihingi ang mga muslims s governo react d2 react doon. wala nman mababawas s kapoloan ng mindanao kung magtagumpay ang BJE s halip tutolong p ang ibang bansa para s economiya. bakit nong my ARMM. SPCPD, nawasak ang kapoloan ng pilipinas? mostly s nabasa ko d2 anti muslims. nong deniclara ni santo papa n ang bansa natin ay CATHOLIC COUNTRY my narinig b kau s mga muslim n naninirahan s ibatibang party ng pilipinas? wla diba?
KAYA NGA HINDI NA DAPAT ANG BJE KASI ANO BANG NANGYARI SA PUTANG INANG ARMM AT SPCPD NI MISUARI???WALA!!!LUMAKI LNG ULO NG MGA TERRORISTA PAGGUSTO NILANG PUMATAY NG WALANG KABULUHAN,PAPATAY SILA...MGA ANAK NG PUTA!!!GAGAMITIN PA PANGALAN ALLAH..WHAT THE FUCK!!!
bro, the milf doesn't speak for all the filipino muslim.....educated muslims don't agree to the bje...islamic countries also have citizens that are christians in faith....bro, pakibasa mo sa taas the moa is a step forward for the grp & milf agreement in tripoli in 2001...humihingi sila ng sovereignity...meaning pagiging isang bansa...in the sense islamic nation....think about it bro...
alam nyu marami n akong gyera n experience mula s NPA hanggang s MILF. s NPA 30 minutes or one hour wla n tapos n bakbakan pro s MILF inaabot ng ilang araw stidi p rin ang fight lumalaban sila ng sabayan. yung gusto ng gyera jan n experience mo n b kapag pumutok ang baril nk harap syo? kung wla hwag mung sbhin gusto mo ng war kc bk liliit yan buto mu lalu n kung nk harap syo m60 machine gun or .50 caliber o di kayay yung ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE LAUNCHER (RPG) ng anti-tank ng MILF atska yung bagung imbento nila tinatawag nila n anti-personnel parang cluster-bomb kapag tumama s kahoy malayu p syo yung tinamaan nya yung splinter nya bigla k lang natamaan n dmo akalain ang layu tatamaan kp.
kaya hwag natin ipursigi ang gyera,mahirap magtapang tapangan e kahit dulo ng baril hindo mo nahawakan. atska naghihihrap n bansa natin mag gyera kp ang laki ng gasto s gyera MILF dati n yan sanay s hirap kahit ilan taon s gubat ok p rin s kanila. dilikado p lumobog n ng husto ang pinas dahil s gyera eh mas lalung mag enjoy ang MILF. palakasin mo n natin yung economiya atska militar saka tayu sasabak s digmaan kung malakas ang ekonomiya malakas din ang support s militar.... bedzc cotabateÑo din ako lumaki din sa gyera..kung gyera ang solution para magkaroon ng kapayapaan bkit hindi..hindi lng siniseryoso ng gobyerno ubusin ang mga terroristang moklo na yan kaya hindi matapos-tapos ang gulo sa mindanao..kaya mas MABUTI PA NA MAGYERA NG MAGYERA HANGGANG SA MAGSAWA AT MAUBOS ANG MGA TERRORISTANG MOKLO..THERES PEACE AFTER WAR!!!
FROM THE TRUTH
To all Mindanaoans and Filipinos concerned: Didn't you ever wonder... ...Why OIC concentrated here in Mindanao instead of Iraq. ...Malaysian Envoy are here to help, but they are very eager to remove muslims in Malaysia. ...Why the U.S. removed the MILF from its terrorist list? ...Why the U.S. Navy, Army and Marines still has a strong but quiet contingent in areas throughout Western Mindanao but never engages in any firefight with the MILF despite the close proximity? ...Why Ambassador Kristie Kenney unnecessarily visited an MILF stronghold a few weeks ago? ...Why the United States government wouldn't allow the Philippines Armed Forces to go on a full scale war against the MILF? ...Why the US goverment heavily invested in General Santos City's infrastructure (international airport, highways, etc) without a clear source of return on capital expenditure? ...Why a planned 3-part episode of Mike Enriquez' Imbestigador covering the U.S. military's and the CIA's presence in Mindanao was cut short to only an episode a few years ago? ...Why the powers that be (both the U.S. and Philippine governments) aren't really serious in developing Mindanao? ...Why the U.S. is strongly but quietly supporting this MOA-BJE? Hydrocarbons. Pure, unadulterated crude oil. The lifeblood of the developed nations. Without which, the economies of the first world will collapse. Sulu Sea has very abundant oil deposits under its seabed. Discovered by the Americans almost two decades ago, deliberate and cautious planning was done to maintain the instability the Americans needed to create misdirection while they drill the oil offshore. Oil is of the utmost strategic importance for both the American government and, to an extent, to the Philippine government. The MILF or the so called "war" in Mindanao is of no importance to the powers that be as long as drilling of oil is not interfered with. I hope this gives everyone a new and different perspective. I hope no one gets hurt. It's just business. FROM TRUTH: Thanks and best regards, Dan Some helpful readings: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/june/19/yehey/opinion/20080619opi4.html http://ptlavina.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/us-hand-in-mindanao/ mas matapang NPA... MUSLIM soldiers, MILF ngek di pa nagsisimula ang gyera atras na..... hahaha... tatawag agad sa malaysian OIC... bahag ang buntot
by the way, bakit nga ba may malaysian na nakiki-alam??paki explain naman BAPA MERCADO...
buti pa ang malaysia ang gagaling ng mga leader naipanalo nila ang mindanao. ang pilipinas kahit saang laban walang naipanalo, tignan mo ang report sa reporters notebook ang mga pilipina binabalahura ng mga dayuhan sa ibang bansa at may kagagawan mga pinoy na sindikato (suma imyerno nawa ang inyong kaluluwa). matapang na kasi ang sikmura ng ilan sa atin at talaga naman hindi nya na alam ang mabuti puro kasamaan na lang.
sana pagnanalo ang malaysia na makubkob ang mindanao, magtayo kayo ng military army nyo tapos mga tangke at airplane at kubkubin nyo naman ang bisayas at luzon hanga po kasi ako sa mga leader ninyo at milf may pagkakaisa. si visayas at luzon eh mga anak kasi ng mayayaman ang leader namin hindi sanay sa gera at hirap kahit gusto nila lagi instant yaman. MABUHAY ANG MALAYSIA AT MILF, KUNG GUSTO NYO MAG RECRUIT SA LUZON AT VISAYAS NUMBER 1 AKO SA LISTAHAN NYO, HANGA PO KASI AKO SA INYO. MABUHAY SI EID KABALU AT MGA MILITARY NG MALAYSIA, MABUHAY ANG MILF AT ABU SAYYAF. MABUHAY KAYONG LAHAT! BAKA KASI PAG SINABI KO MABUHAY ANG MGA KRISTIANO SA MINDANAO AT MGA LEADER NATIN EH MAGALIT ANG GOBYERNO AT SI ESPERON, KAYA MABUHAY KAYONG MILF AT MALAYSIA LEADER. SUMAINYO NAWA SI ALLAH NA SANA MAGTAGUMPAY KAYO SA INYONG MGA PAGHAHASIK NG KARAHASAN SA MUNDO. ok lang magsalita kasi opinyon ng bawat tao pero iwasan natin na idamay pati ang panginoon ng bawat isa para wag naman pati nanahimik ay mapilitang makisawsaw igalang natin si allah bilang diyos ng muslim tulad ng paggalang ng muslim kay hesus.
im from mindanao.ang masasabi ko lang sa mga kapatid na muslim na wag naman kayong magsabi na may discrimination ng mga muslim dito sa mindanao.Kaming mga Christian ay namumuhay dito ng tahimik.kayo lng naman ang naghasik ng gulo dito sa island ng mindanao kaya wag nyong sabihin na may discrinationkayo pa ngang mga muslim ang binibigyan ng pabor ng ating gobyerno kasi makikita naman natin na karamihan sa mga head of office kagaya ng LTO..LTFRB..DFA at iba pang Govt.agency dito sa mindanao ay ang namumno ang mga muslim brother ninyo.kaya ang masasabi ko lng sa MOA na yan ay lalo lng pinapalaki ng gobyerno ang ulo ng mga muslim dito sa mindanao.WAG NIYONG SABIHIN NA ANG ISLAND NG MINDANAO AY PAGMAMAY-ARI NG MUSLIM.WLANG NAGMAMAY-ARI NG ISLAND.WE ARE ALL FREE TO LIVE HERE KAHIT ANUNG RELIGION NATIN.
the truth, nabasa ko yung sinulat mo tungkol sa ano ang dahilan bakit nangyayari ito ngayon sa midanao. mukhang tama ka! nakakatakot!
WALANG GINAWA ANG GOBYERNONG ITO KUNDI LANTARANG INSULTUHIN ANG KAALAMAN NG MGA TAO. SUKDULAN NG IBENTA NITO ANG PILIPINAS PARA SA PANSARILING GANANSYA
PERO SA KABILA NITO ANG TALAGANG NAKAKARIRINDI AY HINDI MISMO ANG PAMBABABAOY NA GINAGAWA NITONG GOBYERNONG ARROYO AT ANG KANYANG MGA ALIPORES NA KAIBIGAN AT KAANAK. ANG HIGIT NA NAKAKAUYAM AY ANG MAGKABILANG BATIKOS NG MEDIA AT MGA ILANG MGA TAO NA PURO NGAWA LANG PERO DI MAPATALSIK SA PWESTO ITONG NAKAUPO. LILIPAS ANG TAON AT HANGGANG NGAWA LANG TAYO HABANG SYA NAGTATAWA LANG DAHIL SA DAMI NG LAWAY NA NASAYANG KELAN KA MAGIGING MANHID PINOY sana si GMA ay si GMA7, serbisyong totoo, walang kinikilingan, walang pinoprotektahan, serbisyong totoo lamang. at dahil hindi natutulog ang mga tagapagbalita bente kwatro oras laging maaasahan, simula pa pagkabata eh magiliw na akong tagasubaybay ng estasyong ito, iba ang charismatic nila sa masang pilipino. sana magkaroon din ang gobyerno ng charismatic sa masa na panghabang-buhay.
heto po at panoorin ninyo..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5HXqQR1LM4 THE ONLY THING CAN STOP THE CONFLICT BETWEEN MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN IS TO RESPECT EACH RELIGION. PERIOD.
HERE IN COTABATO SURE WE RESPECT EACH OTHERS RELIGION,BUT THE THING NA HINDI NAMIN MAINTINDIHAN KUNG BKIT ANG ISANG TERRORISTANG GRUPO DALA ANG KANILANG RELIHIYON SA PAGKALAT NG TERROR SA MGA MAPAYAPANG TAO DITO SA MINDANAO O KAHIT NA SA BUONG MUNDO???MASISISI MO BA ANG ILAN KUNG WALA SILANG RESPETO SA RELIHIYONG DALA NG MGA TERRORISTANG ITO...???
Kaming mga Xtian, Catholic in particular, we respect and accept their religion. Dito sa Luzon, mga Muslims, naga-aaral sa Catholic schools and I can personally attest to that. Ang problem is some Muslims do not respect other religions, not just Christianity, Bhuddism, Hunduism, Zoastronism, esp. Judaism. Walang problema ang ibang religions sa Islam, ang problema, Islam pinoproblema nila ibang religions.
Pansinin natin ang ibang communities without Muslim communities pero with different religions, di lang dito sa 'pinas pati sa ibang bansa. May terrorismo ba, may separatist ba??? Kung may saan may extremist kahit konti lang bilang nila, nawawalan ng PEACE!!! Agree din ako sa pag-disagree mo sa BJE, mabuhay ka!! Oo nga. You're right. Pinoproblema nila ibang religion.
If some are doing "immoral" things according to them, di naman sila accountable dun kay God. YES YOU ARE RIGHT BUT MOST MUSLIM DON'T RESPECT OTHER RELIGION OR LAW.
###### ANG PILIPINAS AY PARA SA MGA PILIPINO AT KUNG BANGSAMORO KA DAPAT WALA KA DITO#########GINUGULO NGYO LANG ANG BAYANG MAGILIW NATIN DOON KAYO SA SABAH....BAKIT DI NYONG SUBUKAN SAKUPIN ANS SABAH EH PARA NAMAN YUN SA INYONG MGA MUSLIM....AYAW NYO KASI NGA MUSLIM NA ANG NAKATIRA DON...RIGHT KAYA PINAPALAWAK NYO ANG TERETORYO NYO....
reply ko sau omar
1.takot kasi sila baka bombahin sila..pangalawa pag may general na moklo mas malawak na kapit nyo madali nyo na paglaruan ang buhay ng mga tao. 2.kaya nga napa-alis si erap e kasi pag naubos ang moklo sa mindanao wala ng makwartahan ang mga general dun,,tingnan mo si gloria masyadong matalino puro general ang cabinet member.. 3.MUSLIMS NEVER BEHEAD ANYONE UNLESS ACTUAL COMBAT??? dude bulag ka ba???kikinapin nila ang walang kalaban-laban sibilyan pupugutan ng ulo tapos sabay sigaw ng ALLAH AKBAR tapos gusto mong maniwala kami na hindi sila MUSLIM??? 4.pls. refer to no.3. 5.merong election ang ARMM next week...it's more than a name..some of them are abusive... 6.may mga projects ang ARMM TANONG MO KAY GOV.AMPATUAN KUNG SAAN NAPUNTA ANG BUDGET..DUN SIGURO SA MANSION NYA... 7.REFER TO NO. 6..CONTROLADO HA?? 3. MUSLIMS NEVER BEHEAD ANYONE UNLESS ACTUAL COMBAT??? - omar
Turjak, he is practicing taqiyya, so typical. Actually, he's kidding us. Daming videos sa net with radical Muslims, o yan with "radical" (so as not to discrimate or offend other moderate Muslims) holding their holy book and shouting "Allahu Akbar". Siguro excommunicated na yung mga radical Muslims na yon na namumugot ng ulo. Kapatid, wala kaming galit sa mga Muslims sana lang 'wag kayong magalit sa amin and don't use violence to spread your message/religion... Kami kahit mahihirap kaming tao, na apat na kahig isang tuka, may PEACE kami sa puso namin... at yun lang ang importante... mabababaw lang ang kaligayahan namin... Salamat sa mga Kastila, ngayon ko lang sila na-aappreciate.. Hehehehe!! sa ginagawa ng gobyerno ngayon ay lalo lng gugulo ang mindanao.time will come na ang mindanao ay hindi na ma control ng gobyerno ng pilipinas kc lalong pinapalawak nila ang area ng MILF.Patuloy na dadami ang mga rebeldeng muslim at kawawa tayong mga christian dito sa mindanao na namumuhay ng tahimik.alam ba niyo na ang mindanao ay isang matahimik na lugar.only the moros ang nanggulo dito.at sila pa ang magsabi na there's a discrimination sa mga muslim..what a bullshit!kung hindi lng sana gago at abusado ang mga muslim aasenso na sana ang mindanao kc ang dami nating mga natural resources dito na di mapakinabangan dahil pinupugaran ng mga terorista.Punta kau sa mga Island ng tawi tawi..makikita nyo doon ang mga magagandang lugar na maging isa sana sa mga attraction ng mga tourist kaso di na dedevelop ang lugar kc nandun ang mga abusayaf.kya di umasenso ang lugar ng mga muslim.kasalanan din nila ang lahat.
The MOA-AD is dangerous for the country's territorial integrity and sovereighty.
it has to be review carefully by the legislative, judiciary and the people of Mindanao. The GRP is obviously provided many concessions to the MILF and has bypassed the stakeholders. tingnan nyo ang mga area ng ARMM..umasenso ba?wala!diba?kasi kurakot din ang mga muslim leader nila,kagaya rin ni GMA.kaya wag kayong maniwala na aasenso ang mindanao kong muslim na ang mamumuno dito..aasenso tayo kng mawawla na ang mga salot sa gobyrno..firing squad sina GMA..mike ..at mga GENERALS na nakapaligid nila..tulad nina ESPERON AT REYES...mga salot sila sa ating bayan...
The GRP and MILF should have respected the people’s decision in the last two plebiscites and therefore there is no need for expansion of territory.
Aldo there are few areas of lanao del norte voted to join the ARMM in the last plebiscite therefore it should had been included. The modification of the ARMM’s executive, legislative and judicial structure should had been the focal point of the negotiation since the present ARMM is not really a genuine autonomous government. The details of the MOA-AD looks like a de facto separate state that’s why it is unconstitutional. Therefore it should be junk. to omar,
bro believe ako sa insights at principles mo at hanga ako sau ksi matalino ka at sana nman lahat ng mga kapatid nating muslim ay kagaya mo na mkakaintindi kng anu ang isinasaad sa BJE na yan. malamang maganda ang kalalabasan ng BJE we will live in peace and harmony here in Mindanao lalo na sa ARMM wla ng maghihirap duon at wala na ring corruption... avid fan, patek muslim? --cowards!!! may principyo ba kau!? Terrorista kau lahat! ung lahat na moklo sa quiapo at metro manila mag si uwian na kau! pati dyan sa greenhills! uwi na kau sa bundok nyo!!!
hoy omar! pag nakita kita kakatayin kita at kakainin!!! puta ang ina mo!!! tandaan mo yan!!! mga muslim na yan kikatay namin ng buhay yan !!!! tingnan lng natin kung saan kaya nyo! puro kau salita!!! hoy omar shit! bkit ba kau nand2 sa luzon? ha? hoy moklo! I loath all of you!!! may you all burn in hell pasalamt kayu dahil d pa nagdedeclare young santo papa na ptayin lahat ng moklo!!
pag sinabi nya na lahat ng catolico pupunta sa lngit sa pagpatay ng isang moklo! ubos kau lahat... check ninyo ang basilan under ng ARMM wala pa rin asenso magulo pa rin. Ang may-ari ng malalawak ng lupa ngayon ang mag Moro politician. Ngayon tuloy sila sila ang nagpapatayan kasi nasa kanila na ang power. Sino ba ang ginagatasan sa basilan christian lang kasi di haram ang takutin ang christian.
kapag napunta sa MILF yung BJE na yan. Patay na!! siguradong kakatayin nila ang mga kristiyano doon. HINDI PUWEDE ITO. at kayong mga muslim tumigil na kayo sa sinasabi niyong inaapi kayo dito mga TANGA kayo, eh kayo nga nagbebenta ng mga pirated goods at DVD eh. ibig sabihin malaya kayo dito mga siga pa.
nalimutan na ba ni BOBONG ESPERON yung ginawang ambush ng MILF at ASG sa 14marines, 10 ang pinugutan gago din kasi mga AFP opisyal eh. malinaw na nagsabwatan ang ASG at MILF. ED KABALU, denial king ka buwiset ka. sabi mo walang MILF sa N.Cotabato eh bkit sabi ni Jaafar nagreposition daw ayaw pang sabihin na pull-out. kung palit palitan lang tayo ng mga maaalat na salita dito, wala tayo mapapala kundi away. nagtuturuan lang tayo kung paano magalit sa isat isa.
fr. mercado, mas mabuti pa ibain mo ang usapan dito. masydong negatibo ang mga taga subaybay mo. SUKRAN. dapat siguro tanggalin na nga GMA news tong portion na to..magugulo ang mga tao rito...reaction ...opinyon ba ito o nagsimula na ang mouth war....PEACE sa lahat at malapit na ang pasko at ramadan.....
The rootcause of the problem in mindanao is not about religion but BAD GOVERNANCE by Manila.
Folks!
Peace! The deterioration of debates and discussion on the MOA caught the government and all by surprise... In many ways, they should have known it... since it was a factor that had been there from the very beginning... In fact, Sec. Afable and I - a year ago - already discussed the ways and strategies to build constituency over the formula in Congress, Cabinet, judiciary, academe, media and LGU's by through wider consultation among stakeholders... In another talk with Sec. Afable... we have also committed the IAG - specifically for the rational and more objective discussion and debate of the formula... Too bad that the team that came after Afable and my aborted stint... did not follow that path... while they pursued the fine tuning of the formula they failed in this wider consultation and constituency building around the formula... It is now water under the bridge... so we attempt to go back to reason and objectivity... momentarily drown by emotions, passions and partisan agenda... I believe that the emotions and passions... are now reaching a plateau. Once it reaches there... it would calm down and hopefully reason will prevail... I am preparing another piece on the MOA in my blog... I am simply bidding my time... because I am afraid that any good presentation will be lost in the emotions and passions... hence the good points will be missed... when things calm down... we shall get more objective hearing and more dispassionate reading of the realities and issues involved in the MOA... Until today... there is NO real listening actually happening... so anything good or bad is simply lost! But the display of passionate reactions are inevitable when the stakeholders were excluded in the shaping of the formula... For peacemaking, a good formula is as important as the process... The Government has been very wanting in the process... aggravated by the lack of credibility and social capital of the present government. Fr. Jun Fr. Jun,
I agree with you on two points: -There must be impassioned debate and discussion -There must be wider consultation with all stakeholders But my point is: -Has there really been wide and sufficient consultation with all stakeholders? I've read some of the posts here, and I agree with you that most are filled with hate and anger. But have you also read the more sober and reasonable ones? Thank you. Reason Hey come on everyone. All of you want peace for sure yet certainly we're not getting any with these discussions. Look at this MOA. If this is genuine, there should be little objections to it. Terms of a peace agreement should be acceptable to all constituents affected otherwise it starts to taste the opposite.
I am Christian and I spent high school through college at Mindanao State University, an institution with this mission: "Committed to the attainment of peace and sustainable development in the MINSUPALA (Mindanao, Sulu, and Palawan) Region, the MSU System will set the standard of excellence in science, arts, technology and other fields; accelerate the economic, cultural, socio-political, and agro-industrial development of the Muslim and other cultural groups, thereby facilitating their integration into the national community; preserve and promote the cultural heritage of the region and conserve its rich natural resource; and infuse mural and spiritual values." In so far as I am concerned, the University is achieving its goals. I had Muslim classmates, Muslim teachers, and Muslim dorm mates. For a fact, we all coexisted peacefully. Why? Maybe because despite the fact that we are of different religions, we all shared a commonality. We were all MSUans. We had a goal there. We have degrees to finish. As classmates, religion is out of the topic in discussing our subjects. As a student to a Muslim teacher in a Muslim History class, I had to be attentive as possible since I found the topics quite interesting and my teacher also taught well. As dormitory citizens, people were not grouped according to religion but according to course, hobbies, and even TV favorites (basketball, cartoons and even teleseryes. Yes! Some guys watch teleseryes but I don't.). You step in to an MSU campus. You see some women wearing veils while others with their newly rebonded hair beautifully exposed all talking and laughing together. You ask why? Well, I believe it is because of *RESPECT*. By creating an environment wherein everyone could freely interact, Christians, Lumads and Muslims, MSU has lifted the cloak of fear from all constituents and cast the light of understanding which grew to be what you call respect. Thus going back to the MOA, I don't think it is necessary. Think of Mindanao people as roosters in a cockfight. Devious people lurking inside a palace want a fight. They want a show. In the end, it is their interest they want served. It is their joy to see people suffer and die serving their criminal schemes. Don't be fooled. What Mindanao want is progress. Employment for its people. Education for its children. People coexistence of its constituents. On these areas of concern, the MOA is as murky as any deal this godforsaken government had entered into. Let us all pause for a moment. Calm our throbbing heart. A high blood pressure can cloud our judgment. Let us ask, "Do we want a divided Mindanao lest a divided Philippines?", "Are we going to throw up good relationships between people who see themselves not as Christians, Muslims and Lumads but Filipinos?", "Do we want to be part of the show of a deceitful troll attempting to wreck more havoc to a people already in suffering?" If our country were a human body, let us first replace the present feeble and corrupted mind which says to cut our leg since there is an infection on our foot. The MOA and BJE, in its current context, is not a solution. We have ARMM. Let it prove its worth and be an instrument in the upliftment of the lives of its constituents. The national government should also focus attention and provide further assistance to the development of this region. Progress is the solution to the outcry of the Filipinos not just in these areas but all throughout the country. BASAHIN NIYO ANG SINULAT NI "TRUTH" #147. TOTOO ITO. MISMO KAMI NAKITA NAMIN SA SULU SEA.
Basangmoro..MNLF...MILF...iisang dugo lamang yan!!!!Iisa lamang ang mga iyan!!!mga mamatay-tao!!!
Peace to all! I am a muslim by birth and I am proud of it. Well, this column intends to collect ideas concerning the MOA-BJE whereby we can express our thoughts on this controversial issue.
We are all striving for peace pero sa pananalita pa lng ibang tao d2 ay daig pa nila ang hayop. Correction lng poh, ndi mamamatay-tao ang mga Bangsamoro, MILF/MNLF, sila ang pinapatay ng mga abusadong militar ng gobyerno. Muslim is a believer in the oneness of creator, (none to be worshipped except ALLAH). Ndi muslim yong gumagawa ng masasama dahil ito ay labag sa kautusan ng Islam. Para kay "madness", how dare you to say na mamamatay tao sila. Para mo rin kaming tinuruang patayin ka.... Mali ka bro, puro ka lng kc "negative" sa issue. Remember pinag uusapan d2 is BJE.Dnt go beyond the issue. Read more books regarding Islam, Moro people para magkaroon ka ng kaalaman. Learn Prophet "Jesus", peace be upon him, He is not God nor a son of God. Malay mo someday and somehow isa ka ng new muslim na tumalima at sumuko sa nag iisang diyos "Allah" Pinapa abot ko sa lahat na ang Islam is the largest religion in the world as revealed recently by Pope Benedictine. This is an indication na pinaghahandaan ng bawat isa ang kanilang kamatayan sa pamamagitan ng pagtalima at pagsuko kay Allah nag nag iisang diyos. Among our men who have heartily embraced Islam like Cat Steven, Malcolm X, John Coltrane, Dwight Braxton, Eddie Gregory, Reverend David Benjamen Keldani and many other priests around the globe have sought the "Truth" May Allah guide them. alfred, naka-ilang beses ka na nagpalit ng pangalan, post ka pa rin ng post. don't forget, may mga heuristics kmi dito at alam namin kung sino ang paulit ulit na nagpopost. (one example: stop using "bro", madaling ma-iscan kung sino ang laging gumagamit ng "bro" sa mga nagpost)
salamat po: IP Add scanner anong militar lamang ang pinapatay ninyo?di ba mga kristiyano ang lahat na pinapatay ninyo?mapa miltar man o civilian.taga basilan ako kaya alam ko kung sino ang mga abusado ang taga roon .kailan ba umasenso ang basilan at zamboanga?kaya ang mga kristiyano gusto man ng marangyang pamumuhay,natatakot na lamang ipakita o ibigay sa mga anak namin dahil kung nalalaman ninyo may pera ang tao,kinikidnap naman ninyo.sino ba ang may gawa nun?di ba mga muslim lang?kaya sa mga taong bayan,wag na wag kayo mag ta-trust sa muslim dahil mga traydor yan.
"Peace to all! I am a muslim by birth and I am proud of it. Well, this column intends to collect ideas concerning the MOA-BJE whereby we can express our thoughts on this controversial issue."
You, yourself contradicted your thoughts. You talked about peace but you ignited conflict when you wrote another issue on your religious belief and cited the teachings of your religion. We are here for the MOA sabi mo pero you cited "Jesus" as just your prophet. We do not want fundamental religious principles to be included here dahil kung i-babase mo sa religion, Christianity or other religions and Islam have very opposite/contradicting views and fundamental principles. Kung may reverts (as defined by Muslims) kayo, may BRAVE CONVERTS to Xtianity and other religions/beliefs din, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Walid Shoebat, etc. at marami pa kasi underground sila because "APOSTASY is punishable by DEATH!" Kinati lang akong sagutin kita, pero this is not about Muslim and Christians, it's about the REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES!! you know guys, your only creating your own nightmare. isipin nyo muna bawat katagang sasabihin nyo pra d kau nakakasakit s iba. both christian and muslims are created by God, nobody is superior among each other. Hndi ntin masisi c father mercado s opinion niya dhil sya naiintndhan nia kung anung puno't dulo ng lahat. alam nia kung anu ang nararapat s kapwa ting mga moro. Tandaan nu guys, masakit tlgang tanggapin ang katotohanan...tulad nitong BJE, masakit tlga s ating mga christians n tanggapin pero wla taung magawa dhil yan ang tama at karapat dapat. Habang patuloy nUng minumura ang mga muslims ay patuloy din kaung nasasaktan. Wla nmang mangyayari s inU dto s internet...the actual combat is in field, not through words. God bless you all!
mga kapatid h'wag po tayo sumabat sa mga nakakatanda, hindi po magandang asal iyan, hayaan nyo na lang ang mga leaders natin ang mag resolve ng mga problema, siguro kung talagang ang mga christian ay inaabuso at sinasaktan nila, nariyan naman ang mga sundalo natin to protect them, hindi naman siguro pahintulutan ng ating presidente na sila ay masyadong maagrabyado.
minsan nakikita natin ang kamalian ng iba pero ang kamalian natin hindi natin pinupuna. hindi ko sinasabi na mahusay akong tao, nakakapag bitiw din naman ako ng masasakit na salita dito sa blog ng GMA, pasalamat ako dahil sa blog na ito unti-unti nabubuksan ang aking isip sa maraming bagay. salamat po! have a peace to everyone. ang alam ko nagbibigay ang US ng financial aide sa AFP for modernization nasan na kaya iyon?
But corruption in the AFP are killing our soldiers. nakakalungkot. di ba nakuha na sa video yung mga mortar na di pumuputok. ITAKTAK mo muna!.. parang mas malakas pa ang mga armas ng MILF kesa sa mga sundalo natin wag naman sana. palitan na lng siguro ng mga AK-47 ang M-16 na palyado kasi very reliable ang mga AK47's(based sa discovery channel). pati mga Huey helicopters palitan na rin yan kahit isang Apache lng hehe! ubos yang mga pesteng MILF na yan. Let's not blame the MILF about MOA-AD. it is not their fault actually. they have done their assignment well for the interest of the bangsamoro people.
IT IS THE GRP PANEL AND MRS. ARROYO WHO SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR THIS SELL OUT DEAL WITH THE MILF. Let's hope the SC will permanently quash the MOA-AD as unconstitutional. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!MAGULO NA NGA SA GEORGIA MAGULO DIN SA MINDANAO....HAY SAN PA KAYA AKO MAGBABAKASYON?
PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL..... maganda po sana kung nakatuntong ang BJE sa isang genuine na pagbabago. Sinu-sino ang uupo sa BJE? nakita na natin sa ARMM na kaawa awa ang mga mahihirap na muslim dahil sa mga nakaupo na lider nila... na walang ginawa kundi magpayaman... samantalang naghihrap ang mga tao dun. Look at the Ampatuans....look at the big families in ARMM... my goshhh kung mabuhay ay parang mga prinsesa at prinsipe, hari at reyna samantalang wlaang makain ang mga kababayang muslim. kaya hindi naging successful ang ARMM to improve the lives of muslims ay dahil sa same patronage and elite politics favoring only a few wealthy individuals. Im willing to give the BJE a chance kung sasabihin nila sa akin na ang uupo ay hindi yung mga malalaking asindero at malalaking pamilya sa ARMM... cmon... wag magtago sa BJE ang mga walang kaluluwang mga tao na walang inisip kundi ang sarili nilang pagyaman at pag asenso...dinadamay pa si Allah ang dalisay na mithiin ng Bangsamoro. This will not work dahil ang nasa likod pa rin ng intention ay pandarambong at hindi tunay na pagbabago.
I agree with you. What is really needed for the attainment of genuine peace in Mindanao is CHARACTER CHANGE based upon living and acting out in our daily lives the values & principles drawn from the true teachings of Holy Quran and Holy Bible.For this reason, a Dabawenyo advocates an alternative CHARACTER CONFIGURATION instead of the MOA-AD's territorial and structural configuration of the Mindanao Peace Process.It is time we consider looking at the possibility of a CHRISLAMIC REPUBLIC to evolve in Mindanao where Muslims & Christians live as brothers & sisters in one Nation, in one God.May the God of Jesus,Son of Maryam(Sura XIX) who is Allah among Muslims bless us all!
AMININ MAN NATIN O HINDI ANG HIDWAANG KRISTYANO-MUSLIM SA MINDANAO KAHIT SAAN OA MAN SA MUNDO AY HINDI MISMONG RELIHIYON.
GINAGAMIT ANG RELIHIYON UPANG I-JUSTIFY ANG KARAHASAN ANG PAGPATAY ANG PAGPUGOT NG ULO. PERO ANG TOTOO ANG PAGKAGAHAMAN SA LUPA AT PAKINABANG NG LUPA ANG UGAT. ANG ISA NAGKAKAMKAM NG SOBRA HABANG ANG ISA NAWAWALAN NG TIRAHAN AT HANAPBUHAY. MAYROONG PAPASOK KUNO NA MAGTATANGGOL SA KARAPATAN NG NAAPI GAGAMITIN ANG PAGKAKAIBA SA RELIHIYON MANGONGONSENSYA UPANG LALONG GALITN ANG MGA NAAPI AT YUNG LIDER NA KUNWARI NAGTATANGGOL SYA RIN ANG SUSUNOD NA MAGKAMKAM NG LUPA. SA BANDANG HULI IYONG TALAGANG NAAPI GANUN PA DIN API PA RIN NAGPALIT LANG SYA NG MANG-AALIPIN.... AND THE CYCLE GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AT YAN ANG TOTOONG NANGYARI SA MINDANAO KAYA DONT GIVE ME YOUR BULSHIT ALAHU AKBAR PAGKATAPOS MONG MANGIDNAP AT MAMUGOT NG ULO KASIRAAN YANG PINAGGAWA NYO SA ISLAM WHICH IS IN TRUTH A RELIGION OF PEACE alfred my dear...ang pinupromote mong religion ay isang religion ni satanas kaya bobo na at mangmang ang karamihan sa inyo kasi madali nyong nabe-brainwash pero wag nyo kami itulad kay robin padilla meron syang pansariling interest kaya nagpa convert ang gago...kung gusto mong pumunta sa impyerno pwes isama mo lahat ng kalahi mo dalahin mo sila sa impyerno wag sa mindanao tao ang naninirahan dito hindi demonyo...
Im a relative of one of the marines that were beheaded by these muslims...they were killed na walang kalaban-laban, ambush pa...traidor na pamamaraan.
Hindi makatao ang ginawa nila... Sa lahat ng muslim dito na nagjujustify na peace loving cla.. on the contrary mamamatay tao kau sabihin nyo pa na in the name ng diyos nyo na ginagawa nyo yan.. undeniably, ur using ur religion in the name of allah para maghasik ng lagim. hoy aka alfred gonzales! huwag kang gumamit nga christiyanong pangalan! proud ka pa sabihin na marami ang nag-embrace sa islam. nag-enumerate ka pa! pinopromote mo ba yang relihiyon mo? pinopromote mo ba ang pagiging hayop at pagiging traidor? kayo kaya mga muslim pupugatan ng ulo at ipakain sa baboy? gusto nyo ba iyon? gobyerno lng lahat sinisisi nyo, bakit kau? bakit kaya walng asenso yang armm na yan? hindi ba na kau din nagpapatakbo nyan? so dont dare to say na peace loving kau dahil hayop kau! kahit sabihin nyo na hindi religion ang issue dito it is ultimately related sa bje. indi pa cla kuntento sa armm. Autonomous na nga yan eh! meaning hindi na nakikialam ung central government sa internal affairs ng armm. may visible ba asenso? yung marine na pinugutan nyo ng ulo, may tatlong anak na iniwan... d na kayo nakuntento sa pagpatay pinugutan nyo ng ulo - isang karumal-dumal na karahasan. un-imaginable ang trauma na iniwan nyan sa mata ng mga anak. may the Lord bless his soul... Good thing that the Government forces have started to attack the position of the Terrorist MILF.. They should be extinguished and exterminated. The Scout Ranger are there to get you!!!! Unleashed the Dogs of war ( Scout Ranger).
this MOA should be declared once and for all by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional becausse it violates the constitutions and other laws of the land. We will not allow that our laws will be violated by these Terrorist thugs MILF. Mga salot sila sa MINADANAO.. dapat sila lipulin at pgkatapos ipakain sa mga pating.... THE MILF terrorist have started this conflict by occupying the peaceful community, they burn the poors farmers livelihood and stolen their livestocks in North Cotabato. This should not be tolerated, this is an act of uncivilized, barbaric and unschooled people. this action should be condemned and let the long arms of the law takes care of it. this should not be left unpunished.
good thing the government forces shows their strenght and enforce their mandate under the constitutions and under our laws. the Government should pursue this harsh action against this terrorist MILF thugs so that they will know when they arrogantly challenged our armed forces they will taste the dose of their own medicine. The the armed forces of the Philippines who is at this moment battling the Terrorist MILF, do your job for God and for your Country for the majority of the poeple of this great nation support your action. We are behind your back.. kill em all and take no prisoners.!!!! We only need a body count... teach this terrorist a lesson that they will never forget!!!! WALANG ancestral domain claim ang mga bangsamoro sa mindanao!! bakit?? dahil hindi pa dumating ang islam sa mindanao ay marami nang mga LUMAD na nakatira sa mindanao.
AND MINDANAO AY TOTOONG ANCESTRAL DOMAIN NG MGA LUMAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! TANDAAN NIYO YAN LAHAT!!! We are not Filipino Citizen.
We are the United Tausug Citizen. We support this Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) on the Ancestral Domain Aspect . Because this is one step toward peace and our freedom from the Philippines. The Land Air and Sea should be given to us. You People don't understand us. Like Jun Mercado said "To appreciate the MOA, one has to understand the struggle of the MILF in the name of the Bangsamoro peoples. " He understand us. President Gloria and the GRP panal understand us. Why almost all of you here. Don't understand. We would like to call our land as Bangsamoro Country. We already have our Military and Police. We serve our people well. Not like your politicians, only serving their selves,"they are corrupt". Only President Gloria is not corrupt, I think. With this MOA peace can be achieve. Allah bless you all. Let's pray for peace and signing of MOA. @JUAN BEN LADEN
We are not Filipino citizen din po kasi we are UNITED VISAYAN CITIZEN. and im sure meron din UNITED BICOLANO CITIZEN, UNITED PAMPANGUENO CITIZEN, UNITED CEBUANO CITIZEN, UNITED BOL-ANON CITIZEN and all the 'zens. Do u mean if one belongs to some ethnic or whatsoever group he/she should have his/her own sovereignty??? we have so many groups here in Pinas, kayo lang naman ang miy gusto nyan!. U WONT HAVE IT! oh..God wake up!!! your dreamland will never come true. Mindanao is Part and parcel of the Republic of the Philippines. it does not belong to any ethnic cultural group it belongs to the FILIPINO people.
why not claim your so called ancestral domain in Planet Mars.. Thats right planet Mars are vacant and its for free. You can create your own government there and even implement your own laws or kill one another like your own species.. nobody cares anyway. your not suitable in the place where civilized and peaceful society lived... No one and it will not happen not even in your dream that Mindanao will be separated from the Republic of the Philippines. there are only few moron who have the same thingking like yours.... hope you wake up in reality!!!! @ JUAN BEN LADEN
I am sorry but YOU WONT HAVE IT! Bakit mo sinabi na Gloria is not corrupt i think ?
bakit i think pa ? kasi di ka sigurado sinasabi ko sayo ginagamit lang kayo ni Gloria para sa ambisyon nya kaya magisip isip ka kung gusto nyo humiwalay sa Pilipinas kayo na lang wag nyo na isama yang lupa ng Mindanao marami pang Pilipinog Muslim ang karpatdapat na makinabang dyan. Yan yung mga muslim na kinukuha sa pagsisikap at pakikipagkapwa ang ambisyon di sa karahasan at pangingidnap at pamumugot ulo to juan ben laden
ULOL!!!ANONG GINAGAWA MO DITO SA PINAS DAPAT SAYO I DEPORT KUNG SAANG IMPYERNO KA GALING..TAUSUG ERMATS KO PERO 100 PERCENT NOYPI KAMI..TARANTADO KA!!SINISIRA MO BLOODLINE NG ERMATS KO.. Please people dont use the word "mindanao" because generally mindanao is really peaceful, christian dominated areas are generally peaceful e.g. CDO, DAVAO, ILIGAN, BUKIDNON, SURIGAO etc. and yung mga muslim dominated areas naman like MARAWI CITY and many more, yan kahit mga bangko, takot mag tayo ng branch. LAndbank lang dun yata ang nag iisang bangko considering it's a CITY already!
BJE is not the solution. Edukasyon po ang solusyon dyan. wala kasing breeding yang mga gago, wild and untamed sila. your name itself speak what true colors you are.. Is that the kind of person you called a hero.. Bin Laden is a disciple of Evil.If that case then you dont have any right to have your own state. Mr. Bin Laden please dont hide in the name of peace.
Mindanao is a peaceful place to live with. if not only for those member of your own ethnic group. Looked and observed, Most of the trouble spot in Mindanao are located mostly in a muslim dominated region and if not they harrass and oppressed the peaceful christain community in their locality by stealing the livestock and burning the houses and homes of the innocent civilian living in your area, one classic example of this is the recent event in NOrth Cotabato, these is the reason why no investor willing to invest in your area. and still you have the guts to ask for your own territory. what will happen to you. Excuse me..for your information your methods of life and your understanding is barbaric, uncivilized and undiscipline. Your dreamland to have your own Bansamoro Republic will remain a product of your imagination.... BANGSAMORO??? sounds so eerie and bloody!
tacky tacky tacky!!!! oh well, tacky naman talaga kayo sino ba tong JUN MERCADO???? is he a priest??? he looks like an imam. Cut that facial hair father! Puhleeess. . .
really?!hahaha com'on dude.Umasenso ba ang ARMM?how stupid u are bro.you're serving ur people WELL?ur leader r not corrupt?hehehe im sure ur one of them na nakikinabang kya nasabi mo yan..alam mo JUAN BEN LADEN di mo talaga ako maloko sa mga sinasabi mo kc napuntahan ko na ang mga lugar na sakop ng ARMM at wlang pinagbago at wlang ka asenso.Tingnan mo ang area ng SIASI,BONGAO AT SITANGKAI ang daming naghirap doon.at sabihin mo pa na ur serving ur people WELL?hehehe ang kapal nyo...Muslim leaders ang isa sa mga corrupt..kaya di dapat matuloy ang pagpirma ng MOA na yan kasi lalo lng maghirap ang mindanao at lalong mapalawak ang area ng mga TERORISTA na yan.
@ JUAN BEN LADEN
mag migrate nalang kayo sa ACEH province ng Indonesia or sa Southern Thailand, mag sama sama kayo dun! u have the same cause, a selfish cause may reward kung sinong makapatay kay gloria 1,000,000.00 php...
3,000,000.00 php naman sa ulo ni esperon.. most wanted sa pilipinas!! shoot to kill!! We believe that the MOA should be approved it is a very beneficial plan for all of us.
You Christians do not understand the enormity of our plight. We want your land and we want to rape and plunder your natural resources. This is our ancestral land and it rightfully belongs to us. All the Christians in the Philippines do not understand the power that Allah has granted to us. We are his chosen people and all of you are infidels who do not even deserve to live with us in this glorious world. Like the Americans you do not understand the word of Allah. God is great! God is great! Insha Allah! tama yan.di na kailangana nag MOA di na din kailangan aang BJE, IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN AN ISLAMIC STATE THEN GO TO IRAQ,IRAN OR SUDAN..U CANNOT GIVE US THIS BULLSHIT AS AN EXCUSE,AND FOR our PRESIDENT F$%$ HER AS WELL,SHE HAS SOLD HER SOUL TO THE DEVIL JUST TO REMAIN IN POWER.
buwang ka na Ayatollah Muhammad, aminin nyo man o hindi malaki ang naging contribution ng mga amerikano sa pag-unlad ninyo particularly in oil rich country. Kung di dahil sa kanilang talino eh mananatili kayong mangmang sa mundo. kaya lang nung matuto na kayo sa halip na paggawa ng mabuti ang ginagawa nyo dahil nga sa naniniwala kayo kay allah na diyos ng kabutihan, subalit kabaligtaran naman ang inyong mga pinag gagawa, puro kahasikan sa mundo at pag rerebelde, ang ibig kasi ninyo gusto nyo maghara sa sanlibutan. PAALALA LANG HINDI LAHAT NG TAO AY MANGMANG NA KATULAD NINYO. MAHILIG KAYONG MAGPAAWA, SUSMARYOSEP ANG LALAKI NG KATAWAN NG KALALAKIHAN SA INYO, PURO LANG LAKI ANG KATAWAN WALA NAMAN LAMAN ANG BAO NG KOKOTE.
SIGH, TUMAAS NA NAMAN ANG PRESYON KO, PASENSYA NA PO SA MAY AKDA.SALAMAT PO! MR PEPE TAMA KA TINULUNGAN SILA NG AMERIKANO TAYO TINULUNGAN DIN NG AMERIKANO ANO ANG NANGYARI SA ATIN?AT SINO ANG MAS MAYAMAN SA PINAS AT IRAQ?BAKIT ANG PINOY PUMUPUNTA DOON KAHIT IAKAMATAY PA NG PINOY?NAKAKAHIYA DIBA NAG GALING NATING MAGSALITA NG MASAMA TUNGKOL SA MGA MUSLIM,E SAAN BA GALING ANG REMITTANCES NA SUMUSUPORTA SA EKONOMIYA NG BANSA NATIN?BAKIT BA TAYO NAKAPAGPATAKBO NG MGA FACTORIES NATIN SAAN BA GALING ANG ANG MGA ENERHIYA PARA SA MGA SASAKYAN AT JEEPNEY NG MGA KRISTYANUS?BAGO KA MAGSALITA GAMITIN MO RIN ANG KOKOTE MO OK?
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2008-08-13 16:54
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tangengot ka pala settlers, kung wala ang mga sasakyan at mga factories sa tingin mo ba mabubuhay ang mga tao sa oil rich country. tangengot ka talaga kita muna puro disyerto doon, kung wala ang bansang pilipinas at bansang pinagtataniman siguro patay na sila lahat sa disyerto, sus grabe kainit doon. kaya pasalamat sila sa imbento ng mga negosyante at mga tumatangkilik sa langis para din sila ay mabuhay, ano ang langis ba ay makakain nila, mag-isip ka nga BOBO KA!
Ako pa ang tangengot hehehehe...kung noon na hindi pa na discover ang langis at wala pang sasakyan marami ba ang namatay sa mga muslim sa sobrang init????hehehe dadami ba ang muslim kung totoo iyang sinasabi mo?wala pa sa history ng mundo na maraming namatay sa desyerto dahil sa sobrang init hehehehe...sa sobrang lamig mayron....ang galing ni Pepe napakabobo mo!!!Matanong kita pepe dahil pinagyabang mo ang sasakyan na nagawa ng mga Kristtyanus bakit di natin subukan halungkatin ang history sino ang unang nagdevelop ng mga makabagong teknolohiya sa 8th century at anong sulat sa mga libro ang ginamit sa teknolohiya ng medisina at lahat ng kaalaman sa siglong yan hehehehe baka mamangha ka hehehe.alam mo ba sino ang unang nagdevelop ng knights shields?alam mo ba sino ang unang nakadiscover ng oil?of course sa saudi diba?US ang unang nag develop ng large scale sa petroleum extraction at refinery.kailan ba naimbento ang makina?At sasakyang de gasolina?At sino?kristyanus diba?Pero bago natuto ng mga makabagong pag-aaral saan nakuha ng mag briton ang kaalaman sa syensya?I descover mo yan para malaman mo ulol bobo
Beside sa sinabi mong kung wala ang pilipinas na taniman ay patay na sila at ang mga factory ng mga negosyante ay patay na sila nakakatawa ka talaga pepe..hehehehe.turuan kita kung paano mag rebuttal ng isang statement ha...ganito ang logic..sa ngayon ang pinas ba nag-export tayo ng bigas???hehehe...saan kumukuha ang saudi ng bigas at nag import ng bigas ang middle-east???Sa pinas ba?hehehe ganyan ang logic.diba?Sa ngayon ang Saudi nag invest ng ricefarm sa Indonesia at ang India at china ang number 1 na supplier ng mga households ito katunayan;Jakarta, June27, 2008 - Eight Saudi large companies have set aside US$2 billion to develop Indonesia`s agroindustry, a Saudi executive said.
"Saudi Arabia has allocated huge funds for investment in the agroindustry. Eight Saudi companies are ready to cooperate with Indonesian partners which are serious in establishing such cooperation," Chairman of Saudi Arabia`s Global Unions Company Khalid S Al-Musa said at the Indonesia-Middle East Business Forum here on Thursday. ANTARA reported (06/27/08). Indonesian companies had not much benefited from the Saudi market, he said adding the chance for Indonesia`s non-oil/gas products particularly rice to penetrate the Saudi market was wide open. The current global food crisis had worried the Saudi Kingdom so that it decided to invest in the agroindustry sector abroad and Indonesia endowed with abundant natural resources was considered suitable for the development of food industry, he said. "We open our market not only to rice but to palm oil and pineapple as well," he said. According to the Indonesian president`s special envoy for the Middle East, Alwi Shihab, the Saudi king had offered sharing facilities to local companies wishing to cooperate with foreign partners in developing the agroindustry in support of the country`s food security. Viewed from their emotional ties, Indonesia was the main choice for Saudi companies to invest in the agroindustry. Therefore, the Indonesian government must respond to the Saudi companies` wish by preparing land, he said. "It is too early to discuss haring facilities with regard to the planned investment in the sector. What is important for Indonesia now is to prepare the land first," he said.(*) Ito pa;Indonesia: Saudi Consortium To Invest In Rice Estate July 3, 2008 1257 GMT Saudi Arabian investors are prepared to take part in Indonesia's Merauke Integrated Rice Estate... [more] Heheheheh....mayron ba sa Pilipinas????saan hehehehe.Mayron din kaya lang ang may-ari muslim din ang Datu Paglas Banana Plantation sa Mindanao na ang may-ari muslim.Ano lang ang export nating mga pinoy na karistyanus???hehehehe e di OFW na gingawang alipin dahil sa pagka kawatan ng mga lider na kristyanus.Masakit diba?pero yan ang totoo tapos kung magsalita tayo sa mga moro ay ganun ganun na lang..
#207.2.1.1.3
Pepe
on
2008-08-14 09:56
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ikaw ba si ako o ako si ikaw, pero kakaiba ang soul at nilalaman. it's ok to use pepe, malilito ang ating mga kaibigang ka blog.
paboritong salita ng mga terrorista ang iyang "INFIDEL"! ano ba yang ginagawa nyo, kayong mga lalaking unggoy???! nag aasawa ng isang dosena! di ba yan infidel sa first wife nyo??? wag nga kayong mambato sa amin na infidel, kasi mas marumi pa kayo! mag REFLECT nga kayo, wala kasi kayong mga breeding! susme, uncivilized pa rin kayo until now! look at your islamic cities, poor na poor at ang rumi rumi pa! e.g. MARAWI CITY. . di ba nga sa ibang cities pa kayo mag shopping???? mag hasik ng lagim . why not just stay in your place?!?! dyan naman dapat kayo sa bukid nyo! wala kayong karapatan makipag sosyalan, susme, ang tra trying hard nyo mag sosyalan ha! in general, u monkeys do not deserve to exist at all!
@ayatollah muhammad
ang paniniwala mong BULOK!!!ang sabihin mo kayong mga abusadong muslim na madali lang ma-brainwash ang dapat mawala sa mundo.hindi ka lang demonyito or demonyo satanas ka pa sa mga paniniwala mo.walang diyos or allah ang nagtuturo na patayin ang mga inosenteng civilian.mahiya ka naman sa mga sinasabi mo.ang sabihin mo ang allah sinasabi mo isang SATANAS!!!! long before the muslims settled in mindanao 200 yrs before the spaniards came to the islands they(settlers in mindanao and sulo) are either malaysians, indonesians or chinese(?) origins. they were neither natives or endemic tribes in the philippines. the real natives are the negritos. does this means they should have their own republic too, based on their bloodline and ancestral heritage? if the muslims in mindanao arguments is true, can the chinese who probably came to this shore earlier claim the philippines too as their territory based on 'who's first?' as you know in history, the chinese were the first people who sailed these island long before any muslim religion was even invented by mohammed in mecca say 2000 +or-years ago?. brother muslim in the south, need we say more..?
lets live together in peace under god and learn to adopt to the new civilized world or go extinct if you dont adopt like the dynasaurs. Hello I'm new here!
@ Juan Ben Laden and Ayatollah Muhammad You can have our land over our dead cold bodies! paboritong salita ng mga terrorista ang iyang "INFIDEL"! ano ba yang ginagawa nyo, kayong mga lalaking unggoy???! nag aasawa ng isang dosena! di ba yan infidel sa first wife nyo??? wag nga kayong mambato sa amin na infidel, kasi mas marumi pa kayo! mag REFLECT nga kayo, wala kasi kayong mga breeding! susme, uncivilized pa rin kayo until now! look at your islamic cities, poor na poor at ang rumi rumi pa! e.g. MARAWI CITY. . di ba nga sa ibang cities pa kayo mag shopping???? mag hasik ng lagim . why not just stay in your place?!?! dyan naman dapat kayo sa bukid nyo! wala kayong karapatan makipag sosyalan, susme, ang tra trying hard nyo mag sosyalan ha! u moneys dont deserve a land!
paboritong salita ng mga terrorista ang iyang "INFIDEL"! ano ba yang ginagawa nyo, kayong mga lalaking unggoy???! nag aasawa ng isang dosena! di ba yan infidel sa first wife nyo??? wag nga kayong mambato sa amin na infidel, kasi mas marumi pa kayo! mag REFLECT nga kayo, wala kasi kayong mga breeding! susme, uncivilized pa rin kayo until now! look at your islamic cities, poor na poor at ang rumi rumi pa! e.g. MARAWI CITY. . di ba nga sa ibang cities pa kayo mag shopping???? mag hasik ng lagim . why not just stay in your place?!?! dyan naman dapat kayo sa bukid nyo! wala kayong karapatan makipag sosyalan, susme, ang tra trying hard nyo mag sosyalan ha! u moneys dont deserve a land
Ako po ay isang Settlers sa Mindanao kung saan po ay ipinanganak na sa Mindanao lumaki at nagtapos ng pag-aaral sa Mindanao ako po ay ipinanganak noong 1970 ibig sabihin martial law baby po ako.Itong kaguluhan sa Mindanao ay panay po ang sisi natin sa mga Moro or mga MILF.Ang tanong ko po dyan sa North Cotabato ano pong tribo ang majority nagyon dyan sa North cotabato na yan?Ang majority po dyan ay mga Ilonggo.Paano po ba dumami ang mga ilonggo dyan?At bakit galit na galit ang mga MILF sa mga ilonggo dyan sa North Cotabato?Kung alam niyo po ang mga ILAGA-Ilonggo Land Grabbing Association sa pamumuno ni Kumander Toothpick at si Manero at asawa niya na si kumander Inday,ay sila po ang mga naunang mga ilonggo na nanggulo dyan sa North cotabato at sa buong Mindanao.Maging kaming mga ilocano ay ayaw sa mga Ilonggo na yan,dahil sa mga ugaling magtapang tapangan at naghari harian sa Mindanao.Mga arogante at TIKALON.Maging ang mga Cebuano ay ayaw sa ugali ng mag taong ito.Kaya kung mapansin ninyo iyang NorthCotabato na yan lahat ng ini interview sa tv ay mga ilonggo.At karamihan sa mga CVO na itinatag ni ViceGov.Pinol na yan na isang ilonggo rin at member ng ILAGA ang kanyang mga magulang ay mga ilonggo.Itong si Money Pinol,na napakwalanghiya at WAR MONGER ay siyang punot dulo kung bakit nagalit ng husto ang mga muslim at mga CVO dahil sa kanyang panunolsol sa media at sa mga mga wala ring kaalam alam na mga residente doon.Bakit di tingnan ng madla kung bakit ang Pinol Political dynasty ay against sa MOA-AD?Ito ay sapagkat mayron silang lupain na 2000 hectares na rubber trees,25 hectares na bravehearts farms mayrong website yan tignan ninyo at mayron siyang African oil plantation na 500 hectares at cock farm na around 16 hectares plus yung mga kambingan pa nila at negosyo tulad ng mga masyaw at mga pasugalan at casino sa Kidapawan.Paano niya naipon ang mga kayamanan na yan Sino ba si Money Pinol nung siya ay isang journalist at ng naging governor sa North Cotabato?Mayron ba siyang ganyan kalaki na lupain?Maging ang mga lumad ay naagawan niya ng lupa sa pamamagitan ng paggamit niya sa kanyang kapangyarihan sa North Cotabato.Maging ang mga lupain ng mga moro ay ipinamigay niya sa mga ilonggo kahit ibestigahan ninyo yan.Ngayon napaka-unfair po natin sa lahat nga Kristyano kung magsalita sa mga MILF,kami po personally mga ilocano nagpapasalamat dahil sa MILF medyo natigil ang pangangamkam ng lupa ng mga ilonggo sa mindanao.Simulat sapul itong mga ilonggo ang problema dyan sa Mindanao sila yung mga nagsimula sa gulo,bakit ang mga ilocano at moro hindi magkalaban?Sana po buksan ninyo at pag-aralan kung sino itong Money Pinol na Katulad din ni Manero.
hindi ang issue dyan between ilonggo and ilocano.nagkaroon yan ng ILAGA group dahil iyan lamang ang grupo na hindi matalo-talo ng mga rebeldeng muslim dahil takot yan sa mga LUTAW(mga kaluluwa).walang kaming pakialam kung mga tikalon ang mga ilonggo or sino pa man.at hindi in d2 ang issue si pinol dahil sa nakikita nya mga kawalanghiyaan ginagawa ng mga bandidong muslim.siguro naman nakikita mo hindi lang ilocano(kung yan man ang sinasabi mo)ang naapektuhan sa nangyari kundi kahit civilian na muslim.ngayon masaya ka pa makita ginugulo ng MILF ang ang inosenteng civilian?di mo ba nakikita kahit man lang sa mga bata kung ano ang kinakain nila sa evacuation center?My God!!!wag kang sakim tulad ng mga MILF.sana kung andyan ka sa North Cotabato at isa kang naapektuhan sa gulo,SANA maisip mo man lang ang magpakain ng mga batang naapektuhan sa gulo,hindi ang sisihin ang mga ilonggo or sino pa man.kung di mo kaya gawin yon,then you are free to join the MILF lost command "kuno".
MR. MADNESS ANONG HINDI ISSUE ANG ILONGGO DITO OR ILAGA,ALAMIN MO KUNG ANO ANG ILAGA SA DEFINITION PA LANG NITO ANG SAMA NA ILONGGO LAND GRABBING ASSOCIATION,MABUTI BA YUNG MAGING LAND GRABBING ASSOCIATION SILA?MATINO KA NAMAN SAGUTIN MO YANG TANONG KO BAGO MO AKO TANUNGIN NG KUNG TAMA DIN BA ANG GINAGAWA NG MGA MILF,DAHIL ALAM KO KUNG PAANO KAYO MAG RASON PARA MAKAIWAS SA TOTOONG ISSUE.ANO BA ANG TOTOO SA PAGPADALA SA MG AILONGGO SA MINDANAO MATANONG KITA,HUWAG MONG SABIHIN SA AKIN NA BIGLA NA LANG SUMULPOT NA PARANG KABOTE IYANG MGA ILONGGO DYAN SA NORTH COTABATO.SINO ANG NAGPADALA SA KANILA AT SINO ANG BUMUO NG ILAGA?MATAGAL NA PANAHON NA YAN,AT MATAGAL NA PANAHON NA RIN NA GUSTONG MABAWI NG MGA MORO ANG LUPAIN NA KINAMKAM NG MGA ILONGGO.NGUNIT NAGBULAG BULAGAN ANG GOBYERNO AT MGA BAGONG HENERASYON NG MGA ILAGA SA COTABATO NA YAN.BAKIT PILIT NA KALIMUTAN ANG PANG-AAGAW NG LUPAIN NG MGA MORO OR ANCESTRAL LAND NILA.kUNG MISMONG ANG AMERIKANO AY KUMILALA SA KANILANG ANCESTRAL DOMAIN IKAW PA NA MADNESS AYAW?SINO KA?ILONGGO KA RIN BA?YAN ANG PUNOT DULO NG PAG AALBURUTO NG MGA MORO ANG PAGKAMKAM NG MGA ILONGGO AT PINOL FAMILY SA MGA LUPAIN NG MGA MORO.KAYA AYAW NG MGA ILONGGO NA YAN NG MOA-AD DAHIL GUILTY SILA SA KANILANG GINAWANG LAND INFRINGEMENT NA KASALANAN,AT SINUSUPORTAHAN DIN SILA NG MGA ILONGO TULAD NI MAR ROXAS AT FRANKLIN DRILION,SIGURADO YAN MAGING SI BRENDA OR MERRIAM DEFENSOR AT SI SECRETARY SIRAULO GONZALES AY PURO ILONGGO YAN LALO NA ANG FIRST GENTLEMEN.KAYA GAMITIN MO IYANG KOKOTE MO BAGO KA MAGSALITA NG PATAPOS DYAN.
#213.1.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-14 04:54
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GALIT KA LANG SA MGA ILAGA DAHIL HINDI NINYO KAYA ANG MGA AGIMAT NILA!!!ganun kasimple lang ang dahilan,di ba?kaya habang andyan ang mga ILAGA at dadami pa sila na lalaban sa inyo ng patayan,kailaman hindi ninyo makamit ang lupain na hinahangad ninyo.wag kang magtapang-tapangan dahil mga DUWAG kayo.matapang lamang kayo dahil sa mga baril ninyo.ang masasabi ko lang sa inyo mga (Lost Command KUNO)BASANGMORO,MILF,MNLF,at ASG.,anak kayo ni SATANAS!!!
Hehehehe tignan ninyo si madness ang layo ng sagot parang kuwentong barbero na istambay ang pag-iisip.Bakit hindi mo hanapan ng wastong lohika kung paano mo sagutin ang mga statement ko?Madnes akala ko matino kang ka debate?Hehehehe halata yatang mababa ang level ng edukasyon mo hehehehe..isipin mo kung paano i rebut ang paratang ko sa ILAGA-Ilonggo Land Grabbing Association.Gamitin mo ang kokote mo at ibase sa isang tugma o malapit lapit na basehan yung rebuttal mo.hehehhe sinagot ba naman ako ng Hindi kami uubra sa agimat hahahaha ano yan ramon revilla.Sigue sasakyan kita sa level mo hehehehe...O alam mo ba kung kanino nila nakuha ang agimat nila?Yan ay galing kay Kapitan Gimo na Aswang ng Panay..alam mo ba ang kuwentong yan hehehehe...at alam mo ba na sa Ilo-ilo sabi nila ang may pinaka malakas na bagyo dahil kahit ang ilaw ng flashlight ay nababali hahahahaha.at alam mo ba ang isa pa nilang agimat???Sa gabi pag full moon,nahahati ang katawan nila at alam mo na ang mangyayari at kung ano sila hahahahaha.BOBO....nakakahiya ka ang baba pala ng level ng utak mo.
#213.1.1.1.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-14 15:12
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TAMA KA DI KITA KA-LEVEL!!!tsk!tsk!tsk!ang dami mong salita wala namn kabuluhan.
"What happen to Mindanao?Walang asenso dahil sa mga hinayupak na rebeldeng moro na yan?Kunwari lang namn yan na may pnaglaban kuno,pero sa totoo lang wala naman.Sariling interes din ang dahilan ng mga kaguluhan.Gaya ng bayan ko sa Zamboanga,noong 1998 sementado pa ang daan at buhay na buhay ang kalakalan pero ng bumalik ako last 2007 sira-sira na daan at puro dumi na lng ng aso ang nagkalt sa kalsada.Ang mga negosyante nagsialisan dahil d na kaya ang mga binabayaran sa mga bweset na morong rebelde.Saan napunta ang pera na yon?Eh pinangbili ng mga armas para palawakin ang mga masasamang elemento.Labas pasok ang mga rebelde lalo na sa mga lugar na nasa coastal area.Iyan ba ang gus2 nilang kalayaan at kapayapaan?"Mag isip nga kayo mga kapatid na Muslim"?
Chikadang bago ka bumanat ng kasinungalingan mo alamin mo muna ang alamat ng isturya ng tunay na dahilan ng kaguluhan sa Mindanao ha baka hindi ka matantiya ng mga moro at baka pati ang mga lupain ninyo e bawiin uli ok.Basahin mo itong rekomendasyon ko mas ikabubuti mo ito.http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/mindanao.htm
I. CASE BACKGROUND 1. Abstract Several Islamic rebel groups on the island of Mindanao in the predominantly Roman Catholic Philippines have been engaging in armed conflict with government forces over the past three decades, with two major factions demanding independence. Tensions over the exploitation of the island’s resources and the economic disparity between Muslims and Christians go back centuries and existed under both the Spanish and American periods of colonization, but the armed separatist movement began at the beginning of the 1970s. The conflict has strong roots in the question of control over natural resources, especially land but also mining, timber, oil, gas, and fishing resources. The heightening of friction between Muslims and the government was accelerated by a resettlement program that increased the ratio of Christians to Muslims on Mindanao, and by the fact that Muslim areas remain comparatively underdeveloped (attributed by the rebel groups as the government’s failure to integrate their ethno-religious group). In the two years since the September 11, 2001 World Trade Center attacks in New York, two of the separatist factions have been linked to regional terrorist organizations. 2. Description Colonial Legacies The large island of Mindanao in the southern Philippines long had a Muslim majority population with little in common with the rest of the archipelago. They resisted conversion to Catholicism by the Spanish colonists and continued to preserve their indigenous culture to a much greater degree than peoples of northern islands, and never considered themselves to be a part of any greater nation despite the boundaries that imperialist powers lumped them within. Muslim leaders alerted the American colonial leadership to this fact after the Spanish were ousted in 1898, insisting that when independence was granted they should not be regarded a part of a Filipino nation-state. The lack of participation of Muslims in the war of independence against the Spanish has proven to be a stumbling block in incorporating the Bangsamoro, as the war is one of the major historical events alluded to for purposes of constructing a national identity in the minds of Filipinos. In contrast, the single most important factor in the Bangsamoro collective past is the arrival of Islam, having spread from India to Malaysia and Indonesia and finally to the southern islands of the Philippine archipelago. As one author on Muslim separatism remarked, of all the regional peoples a Philippine nation would have to incorporate, “the people in Mindanao might as well have been on another planet.” (Gochenour 36). The lineage of the crisis into four parts, the first being the Islamic period (13th to 16th centuries). Its all-encompassing influence on the Mindanao people has proven unshakeable, prevailing in the Moro wars of the 1600s against Spanish seeking converts to Catholicism. The Spanish did not leave a positive colonial legacy, with the Moros being especially indignant to being forced into a nation named after King Philip II. The period of American rule further alienated Muslims through accelerated North-South resettlement programs, support for multinationals profiting from the extraction of Mindanao’s resources, and open disdain for the Muslim way of life. In the period since independence, Filipino leaders have inherited the colonizers’ bias against Moro concerns and have failed to bring that population the fruits of development: economic conditions in Mindanao, especially the Muslim areas, remain backward. Consequently, Moros see the Manila regime as yet another foreign occupier. The past 50 years: accelerated marginalization and armed conflict In the 1960s several developments contributed to pushing tensions over the edge. Resettlement of Filipinos from the north to the south, which has effectively contained Muslim peoples in enclaves of underdevelopment, surged. Government-sponsored movement of northern Filipinos to the “Mindanao frontier” is seen by the Bangsamoro as an encroachment on their land, and ownership disputes began to take on religious and ethnic overtones when the frontier was filled to capacity in the 1960s. Land has actually been the most fundamental source of the conflict as Muslims native to the island have been systematically deprived of traditionally-based owndership. In addition to land disputes, resettlement effected a political marginalization of Muslims even within the island, as the Bangsamoro lost more and more voting power. The commencement of prolonged armed conflict coincided with the Marcos regime’s unfavorable development policies and projects and its assertions of state control. Muslims continue to be deprived of the income generated from the development of resources other than land, too, namely mining, timer, fishing, and agriculture. Much of that development is spearheaded by foreign companies who are not required to pay taxes in the region, and whose projects are typically promoted by the national government and occasionally protected by the military. National enterprises lead by the national elite are also responsible for the deflection of resource profits from the island’s indigenous population. Historically resource extraction has been concentrated on lumber, mining, and agro-business. Economic disparity, resulting from the imbalance in ownership of natural resources, has provoked the Bangsamoro to separatism. Despite a long history of non-assimilation with the other peoples of the archipelago, peaceful coexistence within a Philippine state may have been possible if the designs of development had brought them proportionate prosperity. Traditional dissimilarities are now being invoked to bolster and advertise their cause as if the Bangsamoro way of life is completely incompatible with the Philippine one. In fact, they see the government as a successor to Spanish and then American colonial ones. Consequently, the separatist liberation fronts do not even officially view their cause as one of secession, but as one of freeing themselves from an alien Philippine government’s illegal occupation of their homelands. By the late 1960s a Muslim Independence Movement had emerged, and was quickly supplanted by the Mindanao Independence Movement. The Marcos regime disbanded the organization, but its youth division moved forward with the Moro National Liberation Front. It is still in existence today, having settled on a policy of full autonomy rather than complete independence and having come to an agreement with the government of the Philippines. However, that compromise was unacceptable to champions of the independence cause, who formed a splinter group, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. This group is the one currently engaged in most guerilla combat with the Philippine National Police and the Armed Forces of the Philippines. Also in the press is a second splinter group of dissatisfied with the fate of the MNLF, the Abu Sayyaf group, whose activities are limited to bombings and ransom kidnappings. "Di ako nagsisinungaling...Am a product of Mindanao State University and I know the history so well about Mindanao.Nagcopy paste ka lang kaya may nasabi ka.Totoo naman na ginawang pugad ng mga rebelde ang mindanao lalo na ang zamboanga.Ang mga pirata na muslim na nanghaharang sa karagatan at namemerwisyo ng mga tao,ano din ang ipinaglaban,lupain din ba sa Mindanao?
Chikadang,e di mga copy and paste ka rin kung may makita ka bang study na tutugma sa sinsabi mo iho at iha,hehehe baka kay Pinol mo yan mapulot delikado yan dahil WAR MONGER yun at SUGAROL at isusugal ka nun tulad ng mga CVO sa North Cotabato hehehe
#214.1.1.1.1
Chikadang
on
2008-08-14 01:17
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I grown from mindanao and its my experience how we being harrassed by rebels and maybe you are the one who don't know the real story.Your idea is just only based on what you read.But as a Zamboangeña ,naranasan naming matulog sa damuhan dahil sa mga morong rebelde.Walang ibang alam kun di manakot ng kristyano.Kung gusto nila ng kalayaan dyan dapat cla manatili sa bundok.D sila dapat sa civilized places kasi pag aralin man sila,mangmang pa rin.Ginagamit lang pangalan ng Relihiyon para majustify ang manakit ng kapwa.How to acquire communal form of govenrment if they cant even abide simple law.
Hoy zamboanguena taga zamboanga din ako inungaling ka talaga este moher este bien pamparon man gayut bos!cosa bo ta pienza comigo bobo?Alle lang bo na zamboanga mga chavacano MATAPOBRE na moro!Anong sinsabi mong sa damuhan kayo natutulo hahahaha!chavacano matutulog sa damuhan hoy mga ilocano lang at moro at cebuano pwede pa.Kita na ninyo kung gaano kasinungaling at paano gumawa ng isturya ang ating mga kapatid na kristyanus especially itung ilonggo at chavacano walang pinagkaiba parang mga kastila ang ugali.Parang si Money Pinol na napaka sinungaling at war monger.
#214.1.1.1.1.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-14 09:11
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taga zamboanga ka pala moro ka kung magsalita ka sa nangyayari sa north cotabato akala mo kung sino aping-api na tagaroon..ang lahat nalalaman mo KUNO,ay mga pasa pasang salita lamang.kaya ngayon pa lang kung isa isa nyo kinikidnap mga kristiyano ngayon pa lang aktibo na mga ilaga.WALA AKONG PAKIALAM KUNG ANUMAN IBIG MONG SABIHIN SA MGA ILAGA,ang masasabi ko lang kami ang tagapagtanggol sa mga kristiyano,HAHAHAHAHA!!!!ingat ka baka isa ka sa mga grupo na hihilayin,HAHAHAHA!!!
Chikadang dyan na ako nakatira sa kidapawan North Cotabato for 10 years na dahil taga north cotabato ang asawa ko for your information.At sa loob ng panahon na yan alam ko ang ugali ng mga ilonggo dyan.Bal-an mo day ina iya nga mga ilonggo ina gaparalehas amu mana gihapon sang batasan sang chavacano ina sila ngaa?Ti pamatyagi bala haw,kag isipa kun ara ka dira sa kidapawan,kung indi ka ilonggo kag mag apply ka sang lisensya para sa negosyo mo ginapamangkut nila kung moro o indi,kay kung moro lisod lisudon nila kaw ka hatag sang lisensya dira.Sa amo na nga panahon ko nga ara dira sa lugar sa mga ILAGA,damo isturya kag binaligyaay sang anting anting sa mga ilaga kag mga ilonggo nga mga sugarol kag amu ang hawud sa palengke,bisan mga laborer nga ilonggo da ginaluko nila ang mga customer sa palengke.Ngayon,ikaw taga dyan talaga sa Basilan dapat marunong kang magsalita ng Yakan para mapatunayan mo na taga basilan ka talaga.Ang totoong isturya dyan sa Basilan inday ay nung dumating dyan ang mga kristyanus walang conflict sa lugar na yan nagsimula ang gulo ng dumating ang mga ilonggo dyan at sila ay napatalsik ng mga moro yakan dyan at ngayon ang karamihan sa kanila ay nanirahan sa Talon-talon zamboanga city andyan sila marami alam mo ba yan.Yan yung grupo ng mga Ilaga na galing sa North cotabato sa pamumuno ni kumander toothpick at manero.Alam mo ba sino ang kumander nila,iyan ay si kumander Inday.Magmula sa zamboanga city sila ay pinadala rin sa zamboanga del sur especially dito sa Zamboanga sibugay na nagyon, dahil maraming kalibogan moro dyan.At ng dumating sila pinag-aagaw ang lupain ng mga moro at kung kilala mo ang mga prominte dyan na mga ilonggo ay mga malalaking negosyante at politiko at malalawak ang lupain.Alamin mo sa ipil,Titay,kabasalan,papuntang,pagadian kung ilang mag ilonggo ang tadtad ngayon sa lupain dyan especially along the coastal areas,sa bangkerohan sa ipil puro ilonggo ang andyan at sila ang mga may-ari ng mga fishpond na pag-aari ng mga moro kalibogan dyan at subanen.Kaya tumahimik ka,dahil kung bisaya ka malamang galing mga magulang sa dumaguete o di kay sa negros or panay.Hindi gaano ang mga cebuano dyan sa basilan.
#214.1.1.1.2
madness
on
2008-08-14 03:36
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sa pananalita mo isa ka ring rebeldeng tulad ng MILF.Hindi ako ilonggo,isa akong bisaya na taga basilan.kung wala kang alam sa nangyayari sa lugar namin at basilan,yan din ang mangyayari sa nrth cotabato.sana isa ka rin matamaan ng ligaw na bala para matauhan ka.kung ang pananaw mo kung bakit ang mga ilonggo nagpupunta sa cotabato,bakit ang lupa ba ng mindanao sa muslim lang?ang kapal ng mukha mo sabihin ng ganun sa mga ilonggo.kung may teritoryo kayo bakit mga kalahi nasa ibang lugar at naghahasik ng gulo.sana makaroon ng landslide sa lugar nyo para matabunan ka ng buhay dahil iyon naman ang gusto mo,LUPA!!
Madness,kung bisaya ka bisaya pud ko inday ang problema sa atua nga mga kristyanus ubos ang atung panan-aw sa mga moro,mauna ang problema sa atung kristyanung gobyerno tungod sa ilang pagka kurakot ug walay pagpakabana sa atung lugar sa mindanao natural nga mga kristyanus ang initan nila kay kita mismo sa atung kaugalingon mahilig magnegosyo ug mga sukwahi sa islamikong patakaran sama sa boulevard sa zamboanga nga mga discohouse,nightclubs,alak,ug mga sundalong bias sa moro,wa tay mahimo kay fade-up na sila day.Mau gyud ang consequence karun sa atung mga kristyanus dinha,tungod na sa kabuang sa kristyanus in general.
#214.1.1.1.2.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-14 08:44
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bisaya ka pala pero asal abusadong muslim.well,kung yan ang problema mo sa mga kristiyano,siguro ang mabuting gawin mo ang maghanapbuhay ng maayos.kung pagiging mayaman man ang problema mo.di magsumikap ka dahil ang kayang gawin ng mga morong yan ang agawin hindi sa kanila.tulad na lang nangyari sa basilan,pwersahan ipinagbili ang lupa ng mga ktristiyano sa muslim dahil tinatakot nila at kahit kalahati ng ibinayad hindi na nila binibigay dahil papatayin ka nila.punta ka nga sa basilan at tanungin mo kung sino ang mga mayayaman dun,mga abusadong muslim.kaya kahit noon may ILAGA group na ang kristiyano dahil yon lang panlaban namin sa mga moro.kaya wala kaming pakialam kung sino ang napasimuno sa ILAGA.i think ang mga surroundings mo mga moro kaya naging katulad yan pag-iisip mo.
Maranaos here in iligan enjoy freedom as much as christians living here do..in return, christians going to marawi were harassed and killed..if BJE will push through, there will be more conflicts that will be formed..there will be no peacE!
Those rebel scum should had anihillated
8 years ago. This problem shouldn't had risen if the "all out war" hadn't stopped. Former Pres. Estrada has some insights after all... Di matatapos ang gulo ng aking banwang pangako, hanggat di nyu ibalik ang lupaing ninakaw sa aming ninuno. Ang pamahalaan ng kastila, amerikano sila ang sisihin nyu sila ang nag umpisa na idagsa ang SETTLEMENT ng mayoryang hindi katutubo sa Mindanao. Binigyan sila ng libri o murang lupain basta para sakupin ang lupaing nasasakupan ng lihitimong Sultanate of Mindanao. Katapos ng World War II, di nakami makatiis sa mga abuso at pang aapi ng mga Settlers na hindi katutubo. Sila'y protektado ng banyagang gobyerno ng Pilipinas.
Bagamat huli na ang aming pakikipaglaban, isusulong pa rin namin ang pakikidigma hangga't sa huling daloy ng aming Dugo. MINDANAO PARA SA MGA KATUTUBONG MUSLIM. MADNESS MURA KA UG BABOYNG IRUMBUANG BUGO GUYD KA KAAYU GAMITA IMONG UTOK BA AYAW UG PASAGAD KULANG PA KA UG KABANGKAAGAN TAN-AA RA GUD NA IMONG PATAKA NGA MGA BANAT WALA GYUD UNOD DUNAY MAGHISGOT KA UG AGIMAT,DAYUN,MGA ISTURYANG BINATA,I TRY BA NGA APLAYAN NIMU UG LOGIC PARA SAD MUBILIB MI NIMU BINUGO MAN NA TANAN IMO KASABUT BA KA UG UNSAY LOGIC???MURA MAN KAG SA KABASALAN VOCATIONAL SCHOOL MI GRADUATE OR SA MADINA COLLEGE SA MISAMIS NGA PURO BAYAD LANG ANG HIBAW-AN
#217.1.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-14 23:25
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POOR BOY!!!kitang-kita sa pananlita mo kung mag descriminate ka ng school.yan ba ang sinasabi mo na PEACE gusto nyo?pati school tinitira mo?buti nga may mga school na ganyan na at least nakapag-aral sila.Eh!!ikaw kung magsalita akala mo kung sino.PWEE!!kahit CLOROX hindi na kaya alisin mga putik sa utak mo..siguro MURIATIC ACID pwede pa pati KALULUWA mo sunog.and to tell you,nakatapos ako ng pag-aaral sa mamahaling eskwelahan at sa ngayon nasa abroad at kung magaling ka hahamunin kita na alamin kung saan ang IP ADD ko.BOBO!!!may pa-LOGIC-LOGIC ka pa,LOGIC mo naman BULOKKKKK!!!!
Bakit madness sa simulat simula pa wala ka pang rebuttal sa mga issue na aking na raise dito madness,at huwag kang manghamon na alamin ang IP mo hindi ako interesado sa IP mo hehehehe nabuang na lalong lumayo at lahat ng issue mo nasagot ko yan at na rebutt ko yan.E ikaw ni isang issue wala kang na rebutt puro ka character assasination at wala kang issue na may basehan kundi puro as per your experience and as per your lie.Patunayan mo na walang karapatan ang mga moro na mabawi ang kanilang lupain base sa tunay at genuine na claims dahil malinaw na ang mga moro ay may historical claims at biktima sila ng historical injustices.At patunayan mo na ikaw at ang mga magulang mo ay totoong mga taga mindanao hindi yung ang issue mo rito ay ugali ng mga moro,dahil kung ugali ang pag-usapan mas masahol ang ugali ng mga kristyanus.At huwag mong ipagyabang yang pag-abroad mo,dahil yan sa kawalanghiyaan yan ng mga kristyanus na nasa gobyerno kung kayat andyan ka sa abroad dahil sa hirap ng buhay dito sa Pinas.Saan kaba sa middle-east sa bansang muslim?Akala mo yata kung hindi ka na descriminate dyan kung hindi ka sa middle-east...hehehehe napaka hypocrite mo Madness naka abroad ka yata dahil sa pera na inutang ng magulang mo hehehehe...Hoy tandaan mo ni isang rebuttal sa issue ng mga ILAGA-Ilonggo Land Grabbing Association ay wala kang nasabi kundi puro denial bias justification sa mga ilonggo against moro.Wala kang maikwento ng kung paano napunta dyan ang mga ilonggo at bakit nang-aagaw sila ng lupa sa Mindanao dahil yan ang totoong issue.Simple Logic at ayaw mo ng logic dahil BOBO ka at ang alam mo lang technical.Ito paano nagkaroon ng lupa ang mga Ilonggo sa Mindanao gayung taga Panay Island sila yan ang sagutin mo hindi yung iwasan mo at babanat ka ng charatcer assasination,sagutin mo muna yan?Papaano kayong mga kristyano na galing sa Luzon at Visayas nagkaroon ng karapatan sa Ancestral Domain ng mga Moro at lumad sa Mindanao.Yan pasubalian mo yan?hehehehehe....hindi mo kayang pasubalian yan at alam ko na ang isasagot mo na naman dito hehehehe iwas pusoy at character assasination na naman hehehehehe....
#217.1.1.1.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-15 03:47
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Historical injustices???????????KAPAL NG MUKHA MONG SABIHIN ANG KATAGANG INJUSTICES!!dapat nga isa ka sa mapatay ng mga ILAGA dahil tulad mo SAKIM SA LUPA.baka nakalimutan mo may mga muslim rin sa visayas at mindanao at may mga muslim rin nakapag-abroad.4 sure di ka makapag-abroad dahil nasa WANTED LIST ka bilang isang terorista.POOR BOY!!!sorry kung mayaman pamilya ko at nabubuhay ng maayos sa abroad,di tulad mo hanggang makipag-debate lang kaya sa mga taong against sa MOA.YAN ANG NAPALA SA MGA TAONG TAMAD KAHIT PALAWAN NA PART SA LUZON GUSTO KUNIN. tsk!tsk!tsk!!ako pa sa syo,magsumikap ka para kahit isang butil na lupa magkakaroon ka at ipaglago mo sa marangal na paraan.WELL,WALA AKONG PANAHON MAKIPAG DEBATE SYO ABOUT MOA DAHIL NA BRAINWASH NA KAYO NG MGA SATANAS!!!kung kaya nyo kunin ang mindanao,gawin nyo dahil sa mga kristiyano over our dead body,hinding hindi ninyo makukuha ang mindanao.kung nanood ka ng news,nag-umpisa na kumilos ang mga kristiyano sa north cotabato.kaya wag na wag nyong hamunin ang mga kristiyano dahil lumalaban rin kami ng patayan.
MADNESS.....HEHEHEHE HINDI KA NANINIWALA SA HISTORICAL INJUSTICES,TALAGA NAMAN E DAHIL ISA KANG TAONG NAGTULOG TULOGAN NA MAHIRAP GISINGIN?ANO ANG GINAGAWA NO DYAN SA ABROAD BAKA PUTATENGS!HEHEHE...OR NAKIKIPAG KABIT SA MGA IMMIGRATIONS O DI KAYA TAGO NG TAGO AT HINDI MAKA-UWI UWI DAHIL TAKOT SA HIRAP NA HAHARAPIN SA PILIPINAS.MASIPAG KA BAKIT ANDYAN KA SA ABROAD DAPAT ANDITO KA SA PINAS???SO IBIG SABIHIN HINDI DAHILAN MASIPAG KA KAYA NAG ABROAD KA NAPAKA HYPOCRITE MO TALAGA,BAKIT AYAW MONG AMININ KAYA NAG ABROAD KA DAHIL SA KAWALANGHIYAAN NG MGA KATULAD MONG KRISTYANUS NA KAWATAN AT MGA KRIMINAL AT MGA DISCRIMANATOR.SAGUTIN MO LANG ANG TANONG KO BAKIT KA NAG ABROAD???HEHEHEHE DAHIL MASIPAG KA???HAHAHAHA NAKAKATAWA KA YAN ANG UGALI NG KRISTYANUS NAPAKA SINUNGALING!!!!SINO ANG BOBONG KRISTYANUS NA KAYA SIYA NAG-ABROAD AY DAHIL SA MASIPAG SIYA...IKAW LANG ANG NAG RASON NG GANYAN MADNESS MAD KA NGA..HEHEHEHEASAN KA MAKAKITA NA KAYA DAW NAG ABROAD ANG KRISTYANUS DAHIL MASIPAG SIYA HAK!HAK!HAK! KRISTYANUS KA NGA DAPAT SA IYO PATAYIN KA SA BATO DAHIL SA MGA RASON TIPONG PROSTITUTES KA AT ADULTERER.
#217.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
madness
on
2008-08-15 08:45
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kahit ano pa sabihin mo against kristiyano,alam ng buong mundo mga MAMATAY-TAO KAYO.sa mga ginagawa ng mga kadugo mo di lamang mga kristiyano ang naapektuhan kundi mga civilized muslim din na nanahimik sa buhay.lahat ng mga sinasabi mo binaligtad mo sa akin.at pati pag abroad ng tao kini-question mo?WHAT A LOSER,HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!ALALAHANIN MO KUNG SAAN GALING MGA SUMUSOPORTA SA INYO FINANCIALLY AT KUNG SAANG LUGAR ANG GAGANAPIN ANG PIRMIHAN NG MOA-AD.DI BA SA IBANG LUGAR?KAYA ANG SABIHIN MO HUMIHINGI KAYO NG TULONG SA IBANG BANSA.SINO NGAYON ANG HYPOCRITE?SINO BA NAG ME-MENTION NG SCHOOL AT MINAMALIIT ANG ESKWELAHAN?DI BA IKAW?SINO ANG DISCRIMINATOR NGAYON?KAYA KUNG MAKIPAGLABAN DAPAT HANDA KA PHYSICALLY,MENTALLY AT SPIRITUALLY.HINDI SUGOD NG SUGOD PARA WALA KANG MATAPAKAN NG IBANG TAO.WE'LL SEE MR. SETTLERS KUNG MAKUKUHA NINYO ANG MINDANAO.SAKA KA NA MAGYABANG KUNG SA INYO NA ANG MINDANAO.PERO SA NGAYON INGAT-INGAT MUNA KAYO DAHIL HABANG BUHAY NA BUHAY PA ANG MGA GRUPONG ILAGA(TAGAPAGTANGGOL SA KRISTIYANO),DI MAGIGING INYO ANG MINDANAO.
MADNESS KUNG NASA ABROAD KA SIGURO NURSE KA KUNG SA MIDDLE-EAST KA ALAM MO BA ANG GINGAWA NG MGA KRISTYANUNG DYAN LALO NA YUNG MGA NASA HOSPITAL AT GUSTONG LUMABAS HEHEHEHE...NKAPAGKABITAN SA MGA WELDER AT LABORER PARA LANG MAKALABAS AT HUTHUTAN ANG KAAWA-AWANG LABOR DIN NA KRISTYANUS.KUNG NASA US KA HAHAHAHA..NAKIKIPAG RELASYON SA MGA IMMIGRATION AT IMMIGRANT NA KRISTYANUS MAKIPAG ADULTERY PARA LANG MAKAKUHA NGA PABOR.KUNG NASA MALAYSIA KA MAS LALO NA MGA PROSTITUTES,KUNG NASA EUROPE MGA TNT O DI KAYA MAMINGWIT NG MATATANDA DIBA?HEHEHEHE PA STYLE KAPA ANG KAPAL NG KUBAL SA LABI NG IYUNG DALAWANG HITA HEHEHE DAHIL SA KUNG SINO SINO LANG ANG PUMAPASOK LALO NA PAG PUMUNTA KA SA SINGAPORE HAHAHAHA NAKAKHIYA KAYONG MGA PINOY NA KRISTYANUS.MASIPAG DAW SILA SA ABROAD AT MAYAMAN HEHEHEH SAAN MASIPAG,,HOY ANG PINOY DISCRIMANATED KAHIT SAAN FOR YOUR INFORMATION...HUWAG MONG IPAGYABANG IYANG ABROAD MO DAHIL NAKAKHIYA KA.WALA KANG DAPAT IPAGMALAKI DAHIL BULLSHIT TINGIN NILA SA LITTLE BROWN FUCKING MACHINE FOR UR INFORMATION I UNTOG KO IYANG AGTANG MO SA PADER MAKITA MO ANG YABANG NITONG BURIKAT NA ITO.
#217.1.1.1.1.1.2.1
madness
on
2008-08-15 10:35
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natamaan ba EGO mo sa mga sinasabi ko!!TSK!TSK!TSK!
Hehehehe madness ni isang issue dito wala kang na na rebutt...ayaw mong aminin na yan ang gingawa mo dyan hehehe.sa bagay sinabi mo na ano daw paki-alam ko???/hehehe..so ano pa ang pag-usapan at pakinggan ang argumento mo kung ikaw mismo tumatanggap na ganyan nga kayong mga kristyanus na mga walanghiya..at yan ang issue na nakakabit kung bakit gustong bawiin ng mga moro ang kanila sapagkat kay madness pa "mind your own business kung mga puta kami paki-alam mo" hahahahaha.Kaya tama siya na ang pagpuputa ay isang pagsisikap at kasipagan ng mga kristyanus.At ang pangangamkam ng lupain ng mga moro ay isang uri din ng isang masipag.Bakit ayaw mong sagutin hanggang ngayon na ang pag-abroad mo ay hindi dahil sa masipag ka kundi dahil sa kawalanghiyaan ng mga kauri mong kristyanus na andyan sa gobyerno,media,militar,at mga negosyanteng anti-labor practices.Sagutin mo Madness dahil hanggang ngayon wala kang sinsagot.Hehehehe...Pag nasagot mo yan hihinto na ako sa pagsusulat dito.Pero dahil alam kong hindi mo talaga masagot kaya sorry ka nalang hindi mo ako mapahinto dito...At totoo bang ang pinanggalingan ng lahi mo ay taga Mindanao????Hehehehe mahiya ka naman sa buto mo at sa balat mo!!!hehehehe
I agree with you MADNESS...Wala tayong asenso sa Mindanao pag Moro ang maghari-harian kasi gusto nila easy money lang.Mangidnap,mangharang sa karagatan at kung anu-ano pa.Why they claim Mindanao as their land?ano sila hilooooooooooooooo...SETTLER baka sa PUEBLO ka lang nakapunta kaya d mo alam ano mga pangyayari sa labas,kaya wag ka magmagaling.INTIENDES???????????
Ang Ugat dapat malaman ninyo, wag kayong magtalo-talo kung di ninyo alam ang ugat at ang pinupuntahan ng isyung ito. May malaking future-operation ang mga sup-phot sa lugar na iyan, una ang future world energy, magtatayo ng malaking base diyan, kaya kailangang mangyari ang mga ito. Huwag tayong pumayag na hatiin tayo at pag-awayin ng mga sup-phot na may interes sa lugar na iyan.maging matalino tayo dahil matalino sila at nasa likod kumikilos ng pailalim.
Mr.Supp O. tkazi tama ka mayron ngang nag sponsor at interesado ang amerikano!Pero ano ang magagawa ng ating mga Moro na kapatid kundi kumagat sa isang bansang may pwersa at marunong tumanaw ng problema kapalit ang kanilang interest sa mindanao.Sapagkat kahit anong gawin nila hindi at hindi papayag ang mga Kristyanung indio na ibalik sa kanila ang lupain ng mga moro.Alam ninyo ba kung sana maintindihan ng mga putot nga brown indio ang situation ay maging kayo ay magugulat ano.Sapagkat ang interest ng US sa Mindanao ay maibalik ang kanilang base militar dahil sa economic security sa Asia Pacific region against sa China.Kung inyong mapansin ang halos lahat ng malalaking project mining especially ay pulos china ang nakakakuha sa project at hindi US.Kaya ang chance nila ay suportahan ang MILF para maitatag ang bangsamoro bje,dahil sa oil,gold at iba pa.Dahil ang manila government ay puro kurapsyon at kawalanghiyaan sa pagdating sa project concession.So kaya si kristei kenney nakikisali sa Peace negotiation.Kaya si SEn.Joker Arroyo ay umangal.Pero sa ibang dako sino ang makinabang tayo pa ring mga taga mindanao dahil sa US.Kaya nga sabi ko mas mabuti pa yan MOA-AD BJE kaysa magdeclare ng total independence ang Bangsamoro at susuportahan ng US may magawa ba tayo na mga kristyanung taga mindanao?Maging ang taga Luzon at visayas maya magawa ba?Alam ba ninyo ang nangyari sa KOSOVO ng nagdeclare sila ng indepence,sino ang sumuporta at willing makipag gyira sa sinumang kokontra diba US although Muslim ang Kosovo.Nakuha ninyo kaya ganun din ang gagawin nila sa MILF kaya nga yan ang una nilang ginawa sa susunod yun ang mas matindi Independence.Tapos i recognise siya unang una ng US patay na diba?At sino ang ginamit ng US para indirect na mag facilitate ng negotiation ay ang Malaysi.Remember mga kasama good relation ang Saudi Arabia at ang US at may impluwensya ang Saudi Arabia as muslim country over US relations.
SETTLERS dont leave any comment here kasi d ka nababagay dito.NI hindi ka nga nakapagcontribute ng buwis sa ating bayan kahit sinko!Tapos kung magsalita ka para sinoooooooooooooooo.Mind your own business !Not the life of people abroad.Kung ganun nga nangyari,ano pakialam mo!Inggit ka lang kasi hanggang bundok ka lang....Papano d ka matanggap sa alta sociadad dahil sa pananaw mong bulok.Galing mong magsalita parang sinong aping-api!Manahimik ka jan ,buti pa magtanim ka na lang ng agal-agal.
...headline: magkaaway nagkatuluyan...
napa=ngiti mo ako sa headline mo.maganda pakinggan...BREAKING NEWS: MAGKAAWAY NOON MAGKASUNDO NGAYON!!
hahahahahha!!! natatawa ako sa news kase kung hindi daw maaaprubahan ang BJE n yan aba magkakaroon daw ng jihad dito,,,at take note ha mga muslim p n taga quiapo ang naghahamon nung nagmartsa sila papuntang Supreme court,,eh kung pauwiin n kaya natin ang lahat ng mga bobong yan sa mindanao,nakikisawsaw pa kayo eh never dapat yan maaprubahan kase pamsariling interest lang yan ng gobyerno para baguhin at amendyahan ang ating konstitusyon,,alam niyo pwede nmn yang BJE n yan ang inaayawan lang jan eh ang mga batas n hindi dapat at kontra sa saligang batas,pwede yan basta pareho lang ng system of government kagaya ng ARMM..hindi yung lahat kontra sa saligang basta...ewan ko b kase lahat ng nasa gobyerno BOBO lalo n yang si gloria,,,lahat n lang ginagawa niyan basta tumagal lang sya sa posisyon!!! aleng pandak hindi pb sapat yung mga ninakaw mo!!!hindi paba sapat lahat ng naghihirap at ginugulo mo ang relasyon ng kristyano at muslim,,,sige bayaran mo lahat ng lider ng muslim n andito sa pinas para isulong ang pangrap mo n baguhin ang konstitusyon..masahol kp sa hayop gloria...at kayo nmang bopol n mga lider muslim alam niyo b n kapwa niyo muslim ang nahihirapan sa mindanao at maraming muslim ang may ayaw sa BJE n yan,,mag isip isip nga kayo baka nmn malaki rin porsyento niyo mga walangh utak..
Hehehehe madaling sagutin iyang sinabi mong pauwiin sa Mindanao hehehe...e di pauwiin din ang mga Kristyanus sa Visayas at Luzon o ano?diba?At saka Sky...mayron bang permanenteng Constitution At Estado???Ikaw ang no.1 na BOBO!!!!Walang permanenteng bagay sa mundong ito maliban sa isa; yung pag-iisip mong bulok!hehehehehehe!!!!Kaya mag-aral ka muna ng political science at history para maintindihan mo ang sinsabi mo.Bakit may sarili ba tayong ginawang konstitusyon???Yung sarili natin at ayun sa ating kultura at kalagayan.Mayron ba diba ang konstitusyon na yan ay kinopya sa kanluraning kaisipan at kultura kaya magulo at hindi tumutugma sa tunay pagkakasundo at katahimikan.Palibhasa siguro ang pinag-aralan mo ay BS WOwowee o di kay e BS Taliba hak!hak!hak!
I strongly don't believe in this move. simply for reasons that I don't believe in the leadership of the bangsa moro. Misuari was given the chance to prove himself, but what progress has he resulted in these provinces. Who is to lead the Bangsa moro now, this MOA is just for the benefit of these leaders in position. If they really care about their people's welfare, they can make a difference even without these MOA. I have live my life in Zamboanga City, and I can peacefully co-exist with my muslim brothers as I have always been, but these leaders of my muslim brothers really only care for their own well being. To the leaders of bangasamoro: prove yourself in ARMM first before claiming other domains.
if ancestral domain is the reason for BJE then they should all go back to our neighboring country ie Malaysia, Indonesia because thats where there ancestor came from.
these so called MILF, NPA ABU SAYAf and so on are nothing but rebel. they do not contribute any good for the country and people. they threaten civilians to get what they want. As I read the pros and cons on this controversial issue, I realize in between the lines that the Mindanao conflict is more of prejudice, ignorance, propaganda, greed, selfishness, and irrationality.
I was born and raised in Cotabato, lived and played with Muslim kids and went to Notre Dame schools with them. We never saw a religious color dividing us and the elders in the community showed us how to live with respect for each other. Our parents taught us that the Muslims are our true friends. There was always an exchange of gifts for occasions like Christmas or the end of the Ramadan. Family celebrations were not complete without our Muslim friends and this was also done in many Christian families we knew of. These friendships were extended even to our visiting relatives from Luzon and the Visayas who were apprehensive at first to have any contact with the Muslims. Coming from former Spanish dominated cities, they were made to believe that the Moros were all pirates. But we and our Muslim friends proved them wrong. The old family ties we have with our Muslim neighbors and friends are still as strong as before. Whenever I go home to visit our old residence, I always ask and look for my old friends, regardless of wether they are Muslims or Christians. The "Bapas" and the "Babus" whom we respected may no longer be around just like our parents, but their children still maintain the belief that friendship and trust is not based on religion. I still remember that our house was always open to our Muslim friends whom we also invited to dine. We always made sure that the foods we served them did not contain any pork. There was always this respect for their belief and culture. When our Muslim carpenter-friend told my father that he wanted to go Mecca but could not afford the fare, our parents did not hesitate to give him some of their savings. He was a friend. And this man was able to make the pilgrimage to Mecca and he returned home fulfilled just like any religious Muslim. He brought us brasswares and carpets to show his gratitude to my parents. A few months later, he died of a sudden illness. His wife, a former Christian, said that he had only one wish in his life, that to see Mecca and was very thankful for our concern and support. We were the only Christians during the funeral and we mourned as if he was a relative. Religion did not matter. It was a mark of true friendship. When the "civil war" began in the '70s, our Muslim friends were always in touch to assure us that they were there if we need help. There were many "newcomers" or "strangers" to our place. The young government soldiers sent by the Marcos regime, the Muslim rebels who were establishing their stonghold, the Ilonggo ilagas who were at war with the Muslims, the poor refugees from the farmlands and barrios, the prostitutes who served the war-freaked and war-tired soldiers, and news reporters who must give in to press censorship. Cotabato was like Saigon. All of a sudden, the harmony we learned and enjoyed just turned into a nightmare. We went to school with bullets flying over our heads. A classmate survived a stray bullet on his neck. Two teachers were not lucky enough and died when mortars hit their homes during a pre-dawn attack. A schoolmate and his whole family were massacred in their house. Most of the houses had bunkers with lots of sandbags, just like in the war movies. As government jets were bombing the distant fields within our views, our teachers were very strict in making sure that we were not distracted by the real war outside. Not even by the passing tanks and armored cars outside the building. Not even by the helicopter gunships hovering above. Not even by the pounding sounds of artillery which would shake the ground. The war was horrible. The funeral parlors did not have enough coffins for the dead. Dead soldiers were brought out at night to the airport to make sure that the reporters and curious civilians would not make the body counts. Ships were there to get those who wanted to escape the war. Those who could afford took the limited flights to safer cities. But our family never left Cotabato. It was our home. It was not our bloody war. We were at peace with everyone regardless of their religion. We belong to this place in Mindanao caught in a conflict which we have nothing to do with. A war was declared by the government and the rebels making all people in war-torn Mindanao victims. In war, there are no winners. All are losers. War is good business for the weapons traders and countries which sell firearms and military hardware. If we will divide this country because of religion, will it be the ulitimate solution? Will it heal the wounds of decades of war? Will it help the poor in the countryside who have been betrayed by government corruption as well as their self-proclaimed leaders whose ideological intentions are questionable. Will it bring honest and true leaders to govern Mindanao? Will it make the present president of the republic responsible for an irreversible act which could lead to more religious conflicts? Will it be the answer to lasting peace? Mindanao needs genuine, sincere, honest, unselfish and democratic leadership in all levels of the government from the President down to the local officials and also, in the heirarchy of the rebel movements. If these leaders will dare to go to the barrios, towns, and municipalities and see for themselves the miserable lives of millions of poor people in this high-tech generation, they would know how to lead the poor majority. They would know that the government-funds and rebel-funds are badly needed by the poor farmers who remain hungry after the harvests, the uneducated kids who get recruited by criminal gangs and ideological groups, the old and the sick who consider death as a relief because of lack of healthcare for the masses, the unemployed who dream of going abroad even to work like house slaves so they can feed their families, and the simple people who just want to live in peace. If the Arabs who brought Islam and the Spaniards who brought Christianity did not come to our country centuries ago, would there be a conflict like this? Then, we would all call ourselves pagans. Maybe, there would have been no religious war at all. We would not be fighting to divide the natural-formed group of islands just because of religious branding. But God/Allah blessed our country with these religions so we would learn how to respect our Creator and our fellowmen. Christianity and Islam have the same roots and have many basic values in common. Religion was never made for war. Allah/God is peace. Anak ng Cotabato ewan ko kung nag tatangatangahan ka lang kung yang allah mo is god of peace bakit walang yata akong makitang proof, please lang ilabas nyo na ang religion sa issue kasi lalo lang sumasama ang image ng mga muslim, kahit sabihin natin na hindi lahat ng muslim ehh masasama alam naman natin na tutuo yun kasi pag na bisita mo ang manila city jail ehh hindi din naman lahat masasama pero do your math mas marami talaga ang masama ang ugali......
Your comments express the most inteligent thoughts that I've read on this forum. Unfortunately, human history doesn't have a very good record of lasting peace, regardless of the cultures involved. However, we must keep trying.
Sincerely, "Joe" there is no such thing as bangsamoro nation. Muslims are fighting for their ideology. They used "bangsamoro" as a cover-up to take a territory. Long before, our forefathers are natives and practiced animism. Then islam came to the philippines and also christianity. The so-called bangsamoro is inexistent. Only those who have power like the MILF would like to rule Mindanao. MILF shows how defiant and liar they are because they are not faithfully following the peace process. They lied many times. They cannot be trusted. If they were so, they would have cooperated with the government. The MOA should be put to garbage. There is more risk in granting them territory coz they want to expand their religion. Religion that is based on violence. Look at other countries like palestine and other muslim areas where "free thinking" is prohibited. Basic in the teaching of Islam is "you must not question" or else God will kill you. And look at how they treat Women. Guys, don't let this country falls in the hands of unruly ideology.
sa aking personal na opinyon, tayo mismo ay hindi nagkakaintindihan. Pilipino sa Pilipino. Ang nangyayari, may kanya kanya tayong pagiintindi sa nilalaman ng bawat sinasabi sa MOA na pinagdidibatihan. Wala itong pinag-iba sa bibliya. kanya maraming relihiyon at sekta ay dahil kanya-kanyang interpretasyon sa nilalaman nito. makarinig lang o makabasa ng komento ng isang kilalang tao, sasabihin nang tama siya at tama si ganito. Ang dapat dito, lahat ng usapin ilagay sa salitang pilipino at ng maintindihan lahat. Ito ang puno't-dulo, hindi tayo nagkakaintindihan.
Bangsamoro
"distinct from the rest of the national community" say what??? Can someone please explain to me what is so distinct about them. "natives of mindanao" No they are not sana ang buhay ay walang dulo oh hangganan,,,
sanay pag-ibig nalang ang isipin, ng bawat isa sa mundo sanay wala ng away,,, hahhahayyyy,,buhay,,,napaka gulo,,,pati mga tao,,magulo ang mga utak,,,pastilan,,,makabuang pod oi,,,tanan damay... |
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